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I wasn't intentionally ignoring your point. I understand you don't think, as many others don't think, that a belief in a Divinity is required for moral behavior. A moral life is certainly possible without God. A life which mirrors that of Jesus Christ doesn't require belief in any God. ~

True.

This STILL...is a life led separated from God, because the only way a person can be with God is to believe in Him.

This is the Faith of a Christian...certainly as I interpret it...and I'm admittedly not a Biblical scholar at all.

The BLUF (bottom line up front) of the situation is..that Atheists CHOOSE to reject God.

God is NOT rejecting them.

God still LOVES them and wants a relationship with them. God gave His Son for us..to enable humanity to experience God. His Son was Crucified by Humanity. Humanity rejected Jesus just as many parts of our World reject Jesus now.

There will be a COST for this and the hour of our Death. God will Judge us on this.

I realize the Atheist thinks this is all a bunch of "hocus pocus" non-sense and I expect to hear those refrains.

I'm not some back-woods person.

I'm college educated and I consider myself fairly "Worldly" in my outlook.

I've had the privilege of visiting close to 40 other Nations on this Planet...about 43 of the 50 States here in the U.S.

I am not embarrased to say, I believe that Jesus not only existed, he was also God's Son and Jesus died on the Cross for humanity's sins so that God may have a relationship with Us, his Creations.

I dont see any reason to mock you for your beliefs. And I never thought that you were some back woods person. Ive met PLENTY of religious people who are much smarter than myself lol.

I am glad you admitted that someone can be a good person without believing in God. That was all I was looking for.

As for the rest of what you said....If you are right and there truly is a God, then I am probably in some trouble lol. Hopefully though the part of the bible where it talks about the lord being "a forgiving lord" (something like that, I dont remember the exact words) will be true and I will be forgiven for being a non believer.

Perhaps someday ill rediscover my faith, perhaps someday it will rediscover me. At this point I simply am of the mindset that I cant believe in something without at least a little bit of proof.

But I dont have ANY problems with you or anyone else having faith. I think religion is mostly a good thing, I just dont agree with some of it being instilled into our policy or laws, and that is the only time I will argue against religion is if someone is using it to try to get laws passed.

And that is probably the only time you will find me here arguing against it, is if it has something to do with law.
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You are condemning yourself to an infinite Death...you will be forever separated from God...as you are now.
Ah, the old god as the bogeyman idea. That works on children, rather less well on adults.
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Ah, the old god as the bogeyman idea. That works on children, rather less well on adults.
I always laugh when someone tries to threaten me with their imaginary punishment for not believing.
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IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN MY IMAGINARY GOD AND FOLLOW MY IMAGINARY MORALS, THEN YOUR GONNA GO TO MY IMAGINARY HELL!

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The men who made the immoral U. S. Constitution were Godless heathens. The document does not acknowledge or make any reference, to the existence or providence of the Supreme Being. The nation, as such, has no God. This is an essential evil in the Constitution, which involves the hideous charge of national atheism! "The general government is erected for the general good of the United States, and especially for the management of their foreign concerns: but no association of men for moral purposes can be justified in an entire neglect of the Sovereign of the World. No consideration will justify the framers of the federal constitution, and the administration of the government, in withholding a recognition of the Lord and his anointed from the grand charter of the nation.
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I dont see any reason to mock you for your beliefs. And I never thought that you were some back woods person. Ive met PLENTY of religious people who are much smarter than myself lol.

I am glad you admitted that someone can be a good person without believing in God. That was all I was looking for.

As for the rest of what you said....If you are right and there truly is a God, then I am probably in some trouble lol. Hopefully though the part of the bible where it talks about the lord being "a forgiving lord" (something like that, I dont remember the exact words) will be true and I will be forgiven for being a non believer.

Perhaps someday ill rediscover my faith, perhaps someday it will rediscover me. At this point I simply am of the mindset that I cant believe in something without at least a little bit of proof.

But I dont have ANY problems with you or anyone else having faith. I think religion is mostly a good thing, I just dont agree with some of it being instilled into our policy or laws, and that is the only time I will argue against religion is if someone is using it to try to get laws passed.

And that is probably the only time you will find me here arguing against it, is if it has something to do with law.
I was fooling myself with one foot in the World and one foot in the Church.

I asked myself a very simple question regarding Christianity.

is Jesus Christ just a man? or is he the Son of God?

I didn't find much solace in the World...
I chose to put both feet in the Church.

Doesn't make me perfect,

FAR...FAR ....FAR from it.

I practice Christianity...

My batting average is still kinda low...

but I am trying....I am sincerely trying to follow the path of Jesus Christ.

Those are not empty words.

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I was fooling myself with one foot in the World and one foot in the Church.

I asked myself a very simple question regarding Christianity.

is Jesus Christ just a man? or is he the Son of God?

I didn't find much solace in the World...
I chose to put both feet in the Church.

Doesn't make me perfect,

FAR...FAR ....FAR from it.

I practice Christianity...

My batting average is still kinda low...

but I am trying....I am sincerely trying to follow the path of Jesus Christ.

Those are not empty words.


And if you feel that every single effort you make, makes you a better man then I think thats a great thing.

You seem pretty darn fair and good to me, so keep up the great work!
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The Constitution Of The United States Contains An
Infidel And Anti-Christian Principle

The Constitution of the United States contains the infidel and anti-Christian principle, that a nation as such ought not to support, nor even recognize the religion of the Lord Jesus Christ. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

It is unquestionably the duty of nations to make public provision for the maintenance of the worship of the true God as He has made himself known in the scriptures, whenever these scriptures are enjoyed. Apart from this, we cannot attach any satisfactory meaning to such prophetical parts of scripture, as declares that kings shall be nursing fathers, and queens shall be nursing mothers to the church. Apart from this, we cannot comprehend how the kings and judges of the earth shall render that homage unto the Son of God, which they are commanded to yield—"Kiss ye the Son." "Yea, all kings shall fall down before Him—all nations shall serve Him."

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