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Old 04-21-2008, 11:28 AM
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As a single mother with children, let me just point out that I am single because my Christian ex-husband could not keep his penis in his pants. Apparently, no matter how many pews he sat his ass in, no matter how many prayers he prayed, no matter how many bible verses he crammed down my throat, no mtter how holy he pretended to be, God couldn't help him with this problem.

I totally agree with you, but why don't you start with the people who are in your church, FIRST. Because, as a longtime church attender (birth to age 36) and sunday school teacher (age 22-35), I notice that the churches aren't dealing with infidelity any better than the heathens are.

And truthfully, Herk, this claim doesn't hold much water with me.
We all fall short of God's glory.

No Christian can claim otherwise.

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Bother we've gotten rather off topic.

In the last while there was one relevant thing mentioned about people trying to come to bring up religion with you. Now I don't know how they go about it. However often they're nice and respectful and, really, from they're point of view they're trying to do something nice for you. Now if they're yelling at you or mocking you that would be something else.

However in these general things I'd like to point out that hypocracy/double standards doesn't have to do with what other people do, but how you feel about it.

What I mean is even if an atheist feels besiged in real life by people "shoving their religion down their throat" or what not, if they feel that is a wrong thing to do, but you do it yourself with their atheism that's hypocracy.
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Christians are far more likely than atheists to be part of groups that work hard to instill values about being good to other people, and having good relationships. The teachings of the Bible emphasize values such as honesty, love, forgiveness, patience, and generosity. Many of these values are not emphasized in social circles dominated by atheists.
So what would be your reason for a higher divorce rate among Christians?
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So what would be your reason for a higher divorce rate among Christians?
Christian in name only.

Faith resides in the heart not in the drywall, cement and stained glass of a Church.

I'm off the fence and I'm accountable to God for my sins. If I choose for example, to date a married woman and contribute to infidelity....I am held accountable for this by God. I will be judged by this and my soul could be denied entry into God's Kingdom.

I believe this to be so in my heart.

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Christian in name only.
Ah, the great "No true Scotsman" argument.

So in other words, good people are good, bad people are bad. Religion has no claim that they are the right path if their students don't have a higher chance of coming out better than non believers.

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Ah, the great "No true Scotsman" argument.

So in other words, good people are good, bad people are bad. Religion has no claim that they are the right path if their students don't have a higher chance of coming out better than non believers.
God knows are hearts. Being a Christian is not always about doing what is right while only people are looking. It is about DOING WHAT IS RIGHT.

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Ah, the great "No true Scotsman" argument.

So in other words, good people are good, bad people are bad. Religion has no claim that they are the right path if their students don't have a higher chance of coming out better than non believers.
A Christian can sin all day and all night. They can gamble, cheat on their wives with prostitutes, drink till they are drunk. They can kill, they can steal, they can lie.

God won't stop them...now human law might stop them, but God gave them a free will.

What God WILL DO is judge their souls and my soul and deny our eternal salvation.

This is what it is to be Christian.

To live a life that would please God, to follow the life of Jesus Christ, God's Son, as an example of how to live.

I'm a Christian. I'm not impervious to sin, I'm not infallible to temptation...what I am is

ACCOUNTABLE to GOD for my ACTIONS!!!

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Being a Christian is not always about doing what is right while only people are looking. It is about DOING WHAT IS RIGHT.
And non-theists are capable of doing the same. The good atheists/agnostics are just another meme in a different package.

So lets go back to your quote

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Christians are far more likely than atheists...
I said that Christians are more likely to get divorced. You claim that when you say Christians, you only mean the select few good ones. Now is that fair to compare the select few X-ians to the whole of Atheism?
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And non-theists are capable of doing the same. The good atheists/agnostics are just another meme in a different package.

So lets go back to your quote

I said that Christians are more likely to get divorced. You claim that when you say Christians, you only mean the select few good ones. Now is that fair to compare the select few X-ians to the whole of Atheism?
I'm not divorced. I have no children fathered outside of marriage. I am not responsible for any soul but my own. You keep citing all these examples of higher divorce rates amongst Christians...essentially unsubstantiated with no empirical evidence.

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You keep citing all these examples of higher divorce rates amongst Christians...essentially unsubstantiated with no empirical evidence.
Sorry, I thought it was common knowledge.

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