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Old 02-12-2008, 11:47 AM
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If there is no Muslim outrage (not that there seems to be a lot of Christian outrage about American atrocities), does that mean that Muslims are just bad people and it's okay to kill them to maintain the oil supply?

And if not, what does it mean?
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Old 02-12-2008, 11:52 AM
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The Muslim community has a serious problem with public relations right now. You can try to point the finger at other things, but until moderate Muslims stand up against the radical factions in a big way there's going to be a lot more suffering in their future. The backlash now is going to pale in comparison to that of the future should their inaction allow more blatant attacks to happen.
I think you could say the exact same thing about the Christian community, though. The Christian community does have a public relations problem, and it's due in part to the fact that moderate Christians aren't standing up to the radical factions. And the hate we're getting from the rest of the world right now is nothing compared to what we'll get in the future if we keep letting Christianity be a drumbeat for war.

The problem isn't Islam or Christianity. The problem is that violent fundamentalism runs too strong in both religions.
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Old 02-12-2008, 11:58 AM
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[color=blue]If you could point out a large vocal demonstration made by many Muslims speaking out against violence such as that done in their name, please point this out.
You mean, like this (a threefer)?
http://instapundit.com/archives/024423.php

Or this?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...sts/index.html

Or this?
http://www.cairchicago.org/inthenews...ile=ds07302005

Or this?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/photos/20...12/2088704.htm

Or this?
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...rorism-in.html

or this?
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakin...ticle_id=87642

Or this -- a link about a group of Egyptians that tried to hold a big anti-terror rally -- but Mubarak's government wouldn't let them.
http://www.bigpharaoh.com/2005/07/

If you don't think Muslims are speaking out, it's because you're not paying attention.

Can we bury this particular claim now?
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Old 02-12-2008, 12:01 PM
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I think you could say the exact same thing about the Christian community, though. The Christian community does have a public relations problem, and it's due in part to the fact that moderate Christians aren't standing up to the radical factions. And the hate we're getting from the rest of the world right now is nothing compared to what we'll get in the future if we keep letting Christianity be a drumbeat for war.

The problem isn't Islam or Christianity. The problem is that violent fundamentalism runs too strong in both religions.
What does Christians have to do with muslims threatening a Dutch artist? There are no Christians threatening anyone, so try and stay on topic.

You muslim apologists for murder are unbelievable, "quick deflect the truth, so we can make an excuse". Unbelievable
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What do Christians have to do with this subject. Try and stay on track, this is about muslims threatening to blow up a Dutch artist, and the other story is blowing up trains in Spain and England. These are not areas of lawlessness.
I am on track. You seem to think that a religious group should be speaking out against the actions of it's extremists. I merely noted that it seems to be a peculiarity of most religions not to speak in such a unified voice. In fact many seem to prefer to pretend that those extremists aren't "real Muslims" (or "real Christians").

Threatening to blow up a Dutch artist: Has it been done? Or is it rhetoric? How many dutch artists have been threatened? Just one? Are muslims flocking to Holland from the world over to take a stab at him?

Blowing up trains: Two incidents which you would use to paint all Muslims? Get a grip. The fact that they are Muslim is secondary to the fact that they are criminal terrorists who feel violence is a justifiable outlet for their perceived injustices.

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The point of this entire post is there is no outrage for freedom of speech coming from the muslims, and the other article is the appeasers from Spain now have an al qaeda cell in their country threatening to blow up their trains, after Spain tried playing nice with al qaeda.

muslim murder is occurring everywhere on planet earth, and the silence is golden from muslims, kill the infidels that would denigrate our god.
What golden silence? Are you deaf? Or just selectively biased? I somehow think that no expressions of outrage would be enough to satisfy you.
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Old 02-12-2008, 12:37 PM
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I am on track. You seem to think that a religious group should be speaking out against the actions of it's extremists. I merely noted that it seems to be a peculiarity of most religions not to speak in such a unified voice. In fact many seem to prefer to pretend that those extremists aren't "real Muslims" (or "real Christians").

Threatening to blow up a Dutch artist: Has it been done? Or is it rhetoric? How many dutch artists have been threatened? Just one? Are muslims flocking to Holland from the world over to take a stab at him?
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Well Einstein, since all the violent protests have been done in the name of islam, it isn't hard to deduce that religion is the catalyst for the violence. Again, this has to do with freedom of speech, and the freedom of speech exists outside of muslim countries,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008.../film.religion

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3137510.ece


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4698528.stm


And since you are expressing such concern over Christians, please explain where Christians are rising up in the name of their religion to combat the persecution from muslims?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...inst_chri.html


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You mean, like this (a threefer)?
http://instapundit.com/archives/024423.php

Or this?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...sts/index.html

Or this?
http://www.cairchicago.org/inthenews...ile=ds07302005

Or this?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/photos/20...12/2088704.htm

Or this?
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...rorism-in.html

or this?
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakin...ticle_id=87642

Or this -- a link about a group of Egyptians that tried to hold a big anti-terror rally -- but Mubarak's government wouldn't let them.
http://www.bigpharaoh.com/2005/07/

If you don't think Muslims are speaking out, it's because you're not paying attention.

Can we bury this particular claim now?
I never said they didn't protest against terror, I was speaking of their loud voices to stand up for freedom of speech, no matter how vile they find it. Besides, the articles you posted were paltry at best compared to the hundreds of thousands in violent demonstrations around the world over the cartoons.
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So 250,000 protesting in Jordan *alone* against terrorism doesn't impress you, huh? Guess you have pretty high standards.

The Muslim world is diverse. And many of those nations don't have a history of reverence for free speech. You'd get the same response if you did something offensive with anything dear to their hearts. The problem is tribalism and local culture more than Islam. If they were Christians, they'd be burning witches and slaughtering heretics.
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muslim murder is occurring everywhere on planet earth,...
what that really means is the the world has surrounded the ummah in an effort to strangle it. no wonder the koran says:

Sura (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
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The majority of Muslims do not support chopping off people's heads or blowing people up.
How do you know?

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And where is this occuring?
Israel, England, the United States and Spain....to name a few.

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In areas ripped apart by lawlessness or war where the government is either corrupt or weak.
Like Israel, England, the United States and Spain??????

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Many muslims do speak out against it. Why don't we hear about it? Perhaps we should ask the media. Maybe it makes for less interesting news then blowing people up.

One could also ask why aren't more Christians speaking out against comments made by religious leaders concerning the AIDS epidemic? Answer - like Islam, it's a diverse and sometimes contentious community that doesn't tend to speak with one voice. It's expected of Muslims but not, apparently, of other religious groups to apologize for the actions of it's extremists.
That's a ridiculous comparison.
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