Originally Posted by catzmeow

I'm guessing, Link, that you are quite young and haven't yet completed a mission. I was married in the LDS temple. And yes, I do consider this thread a target rich environment.

muahahaha.

Originally Posted by Link S.

I do not understand what you mean by FARMS. all the answers I give come directly from me and are not to be confused with actual doctrine of the church as I do not go on to Church sites that often and have not for the past several months. No I am not Tom Cruise But I would like to know if he is a mormon.

What I mean is that satan has many people under his power that will do anything to disprove the church's validity and I do not know the full story behind the Abrahamic scroll so you can look it up if you want while I try to find some info on my side.

Originally Posted by usgrant7

There is nothing in the 1611 King James Authorized Version of the Bible regarding this. Where from scripture, do you get this notion? I can tell you where Joseph Smith got it, with a high degree of evidential certainty. But it wasn't from the Bible..

Originally Posted by usgrant7

Then why should we trust your take on this? Mitt was pulled off the "run" because it would hold the LDS church to a critical analysis that could not survive. And this is exactly what I speak of. You all just make stuff up as cannon.

Originally Posted by usgrant7

So you quote: Moses 1:39 to me? Please, lets stick to the Bible. I refuse to take Joseph Smith on his word, when there is no proof, other than his word, that the things he wrote are true. And when you cite "quotations" don’t try and trick people to believe that your quote is from the Bible. Jesus said no such thing.

This concept is nothing more than a kinder, gentler purgatory.

Originally Posted by usgrant7

That's what the LDS church struggles with. A lot of things sound like things...

Here is the exact truth of the matter.

The Hebrew word "min" is positional, not in authority. Look at the next verse. "above the clouds".

Verse 14: And "I will be LIKE the most high".

The word "like" is the Hebrew word "damah" which is by implication "to be comparable or on par with".

Please post more carefully next time.

Originally Posted by catzmeow

Bahahahahahahahahahhaha.

Do you really believe this?

Originally Posted by usgrant7

Hmmm... Tisk tisk tisk...

Joseph Smith himself made it very clear: (see Saint's Herald, November 15, 1962, p.16.) The Gold plates he recieved were translated letter-by-letter "by the power of God." (HISTORY OF THE CHURCH, i, p.54-55)

Yet...

First Book of Nephi, p.25 (1830): "Behold, the virgin which thou seest, is the mother of God, after the manner of the flesh."

Today: 1 Nephi 11:18: "...is the mother of the Son of God."

First Book of Nephi, p.25 (1830):."...behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Eternal Father!"

Today: 1 Nephi 11:21: "yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father!"

B. H. Roberts claimed that since God did not give the English found in the Book of Mormon, the Church leaders had a right to make changes in it:

"Many errors, verbal and grammatical, have already been eliminated in the later English editions, and there is no valid reason why every-one of those that remain should not be eliminated ... There is no good reason why we should not have just as good a Book of Mormon in the English language as they now have in the French, the German, the Swedish and the Danish ... for in these translations, it has not been thought necessary to perpetuate the English errors; nor do I believe it necessary to perpetuate them in our English editions ... the present writer hopes that he will live to see those verbal and grammatical changes authorized." (Defense of the Faith, Vol. 1, pages 300 and 301)

B.H. Roberts.

In Mosiah 21:28 the name of the king has been changed from Benjamin to Mosiah. In the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon we read as follows:

"... king Benjamin had a gift from God, whereby he could interpret such engravings ..." (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, page 200)

In modern editions of the Book of Mormon this verse has been changed to read:

"... king Mosiah had a gift from God, whereby he could interpret such engravings ..." (Book of Mormon, 1964 edition, Mosiah 21:2

Why did the Mormon's believe that a perfectly written book had to be changed like this? Because according to it's own words, Benjamin couldn't have been alive at this time, so they changed it to Mosiah.

I could go on. But -- I will say that you can't attack the KJV with the same authority. What to know why? I guess the LDS church will say it better than I can:

"TRANSLATED OUT OF THE ORIGINAL GREEK:AND WITH THE FORMER TRANSLATIONS DILIGENTLY COMPARED AND REVISED, BY HIS MAJESTY’S SPECIAL COMMAND AUTHORIZED KING JAMES VERSION WITH EXPLANATORY NOTES AND CROSS REFERENCES TO THE STANDARD WORKS OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS"

Copied directly from the LDS website. Pretty sterling endorsement...

Here is a pretty good site that is well researched and asks some very important questions. <here>