Link said he was a scientist then said he believes in LSD for the following reason:

Have the ancient plates been carbon dated? Have they been scientifically tested to see if they could have been or were written at the dates the Church claims?

Better question: Do the plates exist?

Am I wrong to assume:

That as a "scientist" you don't see a problem with using a book written/edited/reedited decades after the events took place?

For example, if I were to write a book about the life of President Hoover based on my recollection of what my father told me about him, you would accept it all as fact?

Ixtellor

P.S. Just to reiterate - Mormanism is no more outlandish than any other religion. If you enjoy worshipping spegetti Monsters, more power to you.

P.P.S Why are Mormons not allowed to adopt Native American children?

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Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

You know very well that in ALL scriptural references white is a symbol of purity. And I did acknowledge that there were changes to the book of mormon but like I said they were grammatical changes in other words they kept the meaning whole but some of the grammar was changed and I would assume that While using the seer stones they translated literally and yes it was a mixture of hebrew and egyptian.

1 Ne. 1:2 "Yea I make a record in the language of my father, which cosnists of the learning of the Jews" (Hebrew) "and the language of the Egyptians" (Egyptian) right from the Book of Mormon. I did research this just like I promised in a previous post. Notice it doesn't say reformed egyptian. This mixture was the language of the Prophets.

But wait...I thought you said there had been NO changes to the most perfect work.

And, I don't agree with your assertion. The white in question was a specific reference to SKIN COLOR, and we know this because it paralleled the discussion of people being cursed with a dark skin for wickedness.

Why, Link, how disengenuous of you.

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JW Frogen, my new favorite noob poster:

If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

Oh really?

Mormon 9:32.

Also, I would like to hear your responses to Ix's questions.

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JW Frogen, my new favorite noob poster:

If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

I have never backed off from a question. I have been to thousands of testimony meetings. I have read the Book of Mormon the Bible the Doctrine and covenants and the Pearl of Great Price from cover to cover. I have gone into areas that many mormons shudder to think and even at one point I believed I was going to fall. And all this has brought me to one conclusion.

Satan wants you to believe every fault and he wants you to exploit every loophole he wants you to find every little thing that does not always make sense and he will make a disbeliever out of every religion. I have never heard two testimonies alike in spirit and I know that the Book of Mormon is the Most correct book on the earth today. I have recieved the witness that you never had that this church is undeniably the most correct church on the earth today.

I know what the Mormons are like in Salt Lake many of them are Sunday Mormons who go to church and talk a good story but when they come home they take of their church clothes and their religion along with it. (I am not saying you were one of these people though) It is no wonder that so many from Salt Lake and Utah in general fall from faith being so close together doesn't put the same temptations in your way as being out where the church is two hours away and you are being attacked on every side for being a Mormon.

I will not topple when pushed I have built my house on a sure foundation one that will not fail and when the rains and floods of persecution and trial come and threaten to destroy me I will stand firm on my foundation and will not move. I once had my testimony built on others and when push came to shove I did quiver it was then that my religion saved me from the depths of despair. I recieved council I prayed I studied I lived my life the way that God wanted me to and If I died right now I could stand and say "I have done my best Lord. I know I waivered and wasn't perfect but I have endured to the end and I still know that Joseph Smith was of your elect."

I have yet to hear two testimonies of people who have recieved a pure and honest witness of the truth (as I have) be the same.

More emotional parroting. Do you think I haven't heard something similar a million times?

Stick to the issues.

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JW Frogen, my new favorite noob poster:

If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

What I have some very good friends who have adopted native americans and they were church members (I believe either that or they were investigators) but I never heard anything like that or any criticism for it.

If president Hoover wrote a book about himself in shorthand and fifty years later someone had the ability to translate it than I would take it as fact as seen through president Hoovers eyes.

Yes the plates exist but I do not get into that subject because I know the tangent people would go off on but here goes. The plates were taken back up to heaven after their translation at the hands of Joseph Smith. We believe that they will be brought back down when people are ready to recieve the fullness of its message.

Once again I ask you to read the Book of Mormon and tell me do you think that this book could have been written by a farm boy.

This is why it is so hard for people to see because people must be taken in at ever small detail.

White does mean Pure in ALL scripture no matter what it is but I believe that those who were cursed with black skin weren't pure. When the Lord said that it was time to allow the blacks to have the priesthood the scripture might have been changed for the very reason that people would take it to be racist.

Keep dismissing it as parroting once again you have not had the witness I have had and this IS the issue.

I am happy to have recieved so many arguments it allows me to be able to ask questions myself and find the answers.

I do regret to say this but as the Catzmeow has pointed out I have yet to go on my mission and I have yet to even graduate from school. I plan on leaving this year and I plan on serving the lord in every way I know how.

I am sorry if I have not helped anyone but I do hope that in my forums I have given all something to think about. (A thought for Obama, Obama on Iraq, Evolution, and I am a member of the LDS church)

I may continue to answer sporadically today but then I ask a moderator to ban this name from logging in as I have more commitments that need to be attended to. If I need to say anything more I have a friend close by who just joined this forum and I will ask him to answer for me so I guess by tomorrow this will be goodbye and goodluck.