The seer stones are not brown rocks if they were you wouldn't be able to see through them they are a clear crystal and from what I hear these were returned to the angel Moroni along with the plates so if you want to see them you need to pray for it.

About your porcelain gods, there is only one true god and 90% of the time is not a high enough percentage to constitute a valid existance. The body naturally gets rid of alcohol in a certain amount of time so that may be your explanation.

Do not guarentee for I know that I will be able to see them and if you take the time to believe and be immoveable then you can see them too.

I get the same answer as to the validity of my church world peace in its current state is all but impossible and those who pray for it but don't get it often say god is too busy or he hasn't answered. Well let me tell you something God always hears and always answeres sure it may be a "no" or a "not right now" or even a "yes" but he always answers.

World peace will be accomplished when the world gives up its natural state and people decide it is better to live in a peaceful world than on in constant war. If world peace is to be gained it is to be through the people of this world. God does allow some things to happen to good people because this is a testing ground to see how long people will believe in him and through what will they keep their testimony.

Several things:

1) In his Comprehensive History of the Church (CHC), LDS historian and Seventy Brigham H. Roberts quotes Martin Harris, one of the three witnesses whose name is found in every edition of the Book of Mormon since its original edition. Harris said that the seer stone Smith possessed was a "chocolate-colored, somewhat egg-shaped stone which the Prophet found while digging a well in company with his brother Hyrum." Harris went on to say it was by using this stone that "Joseph was able to translate the characters engraven on the plates" (CHC 1:129).

The Urim and the Thummim were supposed to be clear. No person has ever seen these. There are many historical accounts othe brown egg shaped seer stone though. Here is another example.


2) Earlier I posted some various theories that attempt to solve the main problem with Quantom Mechanics. I noticed you didn't respond.

Being a Scientist and working with a top notch physist, I thought that you would jump at the chance to give me your theory or explain which ones you agree with and those you don't.

3) You will NEVER in your lifetime be able to use the Seer Stone. I know this, because it is obvious that it doesn't exist. Or at least it is obvious to those that like science.

4) You started off this long thread in a rational manner. The more questions that are brought up, the more irrational you become and resort to classic religious debate in the face of overwhelming empirical evidence against you.

It also would appear that you are actually not that well versed in the history of your church. For example, why on earth would you suggest that the seer stone was not brown and egg shaped, when it is common knowledge to anyone who has read the complete history of your church?

5) Have you at least learned who Jim Jones is?

6) My theory about your complete lack of knowledge in worldly manners (Jim Jones, Al Qaeda wanted to overthrow Saddam, etc. ) makes me wonder if you were homeschooled in a strict fundamentalist Mormon household.

I furthermore am almost certain that you are not a scientist. Pray tell, what is it that you currently working on?

Ixtellor

P.S. Glass looker

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I guess I didn't see that post but I will look for it now anyway the Urimm and Thummim are clear and in all my years as a member I do not remember any egg shaped stones but I would be happy to look into it.

Once again I know I will see them it is obvious that such a device can exist and does exist.

The seer stones are clear and fastened to a breastplate they weren't found in a well.

I have been publically educated at academys and universities. as of now I am working on the fundaments of a gyroscope, the corrolation to gravity of energy, zero point, energy shadow matter, and dark matter if you must know.

What do you mean by glass looker. It is true that with my current studies I do not have time to constantly delve into the depths of my religion that is a job for the Missionaries of the church. So far there is no empirical evidence to support or refute my claims so please elaborate.

Second article of the mormon faith "we believe that men will be punished for their own sins and not for adams transgression."

Few questions, since we share similar interests. All of the following had to be explained to me cause its over my head. But since you are working with Dark Energy, I thought you would love to share your ideas.

1) Since the components of the stress-energy tensor in general relativity describe flux (ex: momentum is the flux of energy, pressure is the flux of momentum), is energy (T_00) the flux of dark energy?

2) Since viscosity is the diffusion of momentum, is momentum the diffusion of dark energy?

3) Since frame-dependence is already encoded with the components of the stress-energy tensor, is flux defined by the Laplacian, d'Alembertian, or triharmonic equation?


Ixtellor

P.S. I look forward to your answers. Dark Energy is fascinating.

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I am very sorry but I do not look too much into dark energy maybe you mean zero point energy which is the average energy of particles at absolute zero. Viscocity is the resistance to flowing though it might have something to do with the diffusion of momentum since the higher the viscosity the less momentum (potential energy) particles can gain.

I think that these questions would be better answered by someone into the mathematics of the energy released my job is to observe the changes from one state to another and allow someone else to figure out the math. For example did you know that at absolute zero solidified oxygen is basically a molecularly fine sand. The bonds formed are not strong enough to keep it together so it is individual oxygen atoms and molecules that just sift over one another but seriously this would be better off in a different thread here I am discussing religion not science.

I am discussing the science for two reasons
1) I find it fascinating
2) You claim to be a scientist, and thus are defending your religious beliefs based on what should be rationality and empiricism.

Few questions I am curious about:

1) You said:
How are these fields related, and what degree track are you on that would include such a broad field.

2) What did you mean by this? Are you talking about the equivalence principle?
Does anyone even do research on the equivalence principle?

3) What did you mean by "fundamentals of a gyroscope"? I had no clue what this meant, so I asked a smart person. They had no idea why anyone would be "working" on this. Can you explain how/what/why your work on the fundamentals of a gyroscope are?

Ixtellor

P.S. I have a prediction about your answers. Can you predict what my predicition is?

P.P.S. 50 extra PolForum points to anyone who correctly guesses my prediction.

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I think that this is a very valid question. But I have a question of my own. If you are an atheist, why do you even care? Do you think someone's feelings might be hurt? Do you think we might form a Jihad against the Mormons? When two people discuss the merits of truth, on any subject, does it automatically invite condemnation if that topic is of a religious nature?

An atheist telling me that I offend him for asking someone questions about a religion is like suggesting that a pig farmer should really care what Hannity and Combs talk about on any given evening.

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I estimated such questions I will answer these but remember this is for discussion of religion and not science.

First the fields are related only by the fact that they have to do with energy and they have very little known about them. When I say I am studying the fundaments of a gyroscope I mean the Gyroscopic recession and progression, the planes of axis, military use, and so on.

I have not heard of the equivilance theory but I will look that up, But no I was talking about an actual definition for gravity. No one knows exactly what gravity is they can see its affects but as to its origin many believe different things. Some believe it is leaking in from another dimension others believe the earth is just situated on a pocket of radiated gravity but these are the theories I hope to put to rest by investigating the corrolation of net energy from one state to another and from two substances and so on.

People who believe themselves smart are usually very unwise. I do not believe a "smart person" would know everything about everything.
We do share interests I love science I guess thats why it's my job.