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“Faith without works is dead” [James 2:26]
If you show me their works, then it is a testament of their faith!

If you observe a man without works, then it is a forgone conclusion that their faith is dead. It isn't the works that saves a man, but the faith of a man enables the man to put forth good works. Read your Bible, man! Read it!
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
(Acts 15:8-11)
It is by God's grace that he grants the power to perform the works that matter. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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Nice but I still don't see your point.

A question for you if we must rely on the wisdom of god than why have men tried to define god through the various creeds of many christian faiths and why is it so hard to believe then that God would have given a small town boy the ability to restore his church?
The work has been done, the price has been paid, the Holy Spirit will enable us to do all things in Christ.

Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

What needed to be restored? I don't see how we needed anything else.
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The work has been done, the price has been paid, the Holy Spirit will enable us to do all things in Christ.

Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

What needed to be restored? I don't see how we needed anything else.
I apologize for not knowing all possible references by heart, but I recall reading:

"...and they will say, a bible, bible! We have a bible, and we need no more bible!"
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Nice but I still don't see your point. A question for you if we must rely on the wisdom of god than why have men tried to define god through the various creeds of many christian faiths and why is it so hard to believe then that God would have given a small town boy the ability to restore his church?
Joh 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen.

Joseph Smith was a man who copied the concept of Walt Witmans' "Leaves of Grass", many parts of the Bible, and his own conjurings to write a book called that Book of Mormon and start a religion. That is the pure truth of it. The sooner you recognize that, the better.
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If you show me their works, then it is a testament of their faith!

If you observe a man without works, then it is a forgone conclusion that their faith is dead. It isn't the works that saves a man, but the faith of a man enables the man to put forth good works. Read your Bible, man! Read it!
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
(Acts 15:8-11)
It is by God's grace that he grants the power to perform the works that matter. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
You are proving my point. In order to show faith you must do work so it can be assumed that those who don't do good works do not have real faith and those that have real faith will do good works to prove it.
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The work has been done, the price has been paid, the Holy Spirit will enable us to do all things in Christ.

Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

What needed to be restored? I don't see how we needed anything else.
That just shows how often you read the scriptures. Tell me didn't you read where jesus went to visit the isles of the sea. or how about the part where there is no respecter of persons? But this is besides the point you said earlier that god doesn't have to explain himself so why should he have to explain why he brought the records of his followers in the americas.

I don't see what the big problem is with so many christian sects that think that God only spoke to the jews and he doesn't speak to anyone else in modern days or that all the work is finished. How can you believe that the work is finished with so many who don't believe in christ? what about those who never recieved his doctrine will god be a respecter of persons and keep them out even though they didn't have a fair chance in life?

Tell me why christians are against a book that validates the divinity of Christ which is what the book of mormon is "Another testament of Jesus Christ" and how can the work be finished without the sealing power and without a true account of all gods children in all parts of the earth?

Tell me why we don't believe that the Odyssey is scriptural truth like many Greeks do?
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Joh 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen.

Joseph Smith was a man who copied the concept of Walt Witmans' "Leaves of Grass", many parts of the Bible, and his own conjurings to write a book called that Book of Mormon and start a religion. That is the pure truth of it. The sooner you recognize that, the better.
The sooner you realize the falsehood in that statement the better. If you review history and it doesn't have to be churches. Joseph Smith was uneducated. He was a farm boy who had knee surgery early in his life and walked with a limp for the rest of it. How did he at 14 know anything about walt whitman especially without a formal education? Everyone knew about one version of the bible yet I still don't see anything that is plaigerized from the bible in the book of mormon.
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Alright you believe the Bible to be time honored truth as I do as long as it is translated correctly. You believe that you can be saved by faith alone and have provided scriptures to prove your point out of the Bible while claiming that I don't read the Bible. Alright well tell me then why in James 2:14-26 it says

"14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have
not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;
what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith
without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also
believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac
his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made
perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it
was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had
received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead
also
."

So what I get from you is that you can by faith alone cloth and feed the destitute. By faith alone Isaac was going to be sacrificed without Abrahams actions to prove his faith in God?
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Joseph Smith was a man who copied the concept of Walt Witmans' "Leaves of Grass", many parts of the Bible, and his own conjurings to write a book called that Book of Mormon and start a religion. That is the pure truth of it. The sooner you recognize that, the better.
Really considering the fact that Leaves of Grass was written in 1855 and Joseph smith was martyrd in 1844 so how could he plaigerize when he was dead? And if it is so comparable then that must mean that Walt Whitman copied it from Joseph Smith.
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