Funny. Don't a lot of Christians explain their faith the same way?

My, aren't we judgemental about another's religious beliefs. As if the Mormon story is any more fantastical than your literal-Bible-Young-Earth-Creationist one.

If you would like people to respect *your* beliefs, maybe you should show some respect for that of others, even while respectfully debating and disagreeing with them.

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I do not worry so much about these sayings they give me a chance to explain my position. Thanks, though, sometimes I need all the help I can get.

No problem. I'm agnostic; I find most religions equally hard to believe. But I recognize that I'm not omniscient and that believers may know something I don't.

I'm always amused by arguments that go like this:

"God is a giant orange rutabaga."

"You idiot! Who would believe a ridiculous story like that?!? Everybody knows God is really a giant *purple* rutabaga."

Christianity even has a parable about such logic -- the "mote in another's eye" story. Yet many Christians (and members of all faiths) *still* don't get it.

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Man up.

I will tell you something just to get a thought rolling on my position and to help some people see what I am trying to say.

I am a scientist I go for what makes sense (hence my term DTMS) and what can be proved in many places separate from the original test area. View all religions as Does this make sense indeed it is this that keeps me in the mormon religion because it makes the most sense.

Why don't we worship Zeus or Pluto or Osiris? Why don't we take The odyssey as scriptural truth? I think it is because the beliefs are of one people in a certain area that changes from place to place. By this standard the Christian religions should be just another religion focusing on a book written by one group of people in one area.

Now what adds validity to anything in science? The ability to reprodice the expiriment and conclude with the same results. By this I can tell that the Mormon religion makes sense. The book of mormon is translated from ancient plates that tell of Jesus here in America giving validity to the fact that Jesus existed. It explains that he did many miracles that are Comparable to those in the bible and says he is the son of god giving existance to his credibility as the son of god.

In the book of Nephi (I believe the second one) Nephi quotes from Isaiah. now remember this is from the other side of the atlantic at the time when no news traveled accross. After the time that Jesus ascended to the heavens in Jeruselem he was witnessed coming in the Americas. At the exact time that Jesus was crucified in the Bible the Book of Mormon people witnessed great devestation and all kinds of natural disasters.

Does it make sense to adhere to the Nician Creed? (I am truly asking this I do not know much about it) From what I hear this creed defined god and all other sorts of things through scholars and priests and so on. At this time the people believed that god did not speak to mankind so how could they define him? I believe it says in the Bible "Put your faith in god and lean not to thine own understanding" and "Put not your faith in the arm of man". so by this does the Nician creed hold up.

One final question does it make sense to follow a book that has been through so many translations where many plain and precious things were taken out by men throughout history who have wanted their way to be the right way? Along with it Now does it make sense to follow a book in which god was a key in the translation through revelation? to this I can answer yes.

I do not wish to offend anyone of any religion I am just putting this out for people to really think about the validity of everything.

That is good I might just have to use it. JK I am always surprised at how many people are misunderstanding some of the plain and precious things in the Bible and other related texts.

In my religion we believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three separate people with God and Jesus having a body of both Flesh and Blood and the Holy ghost who will recieve one at the second coming. Though they are separate in my religion they are one in purpose.

I could never be agnostic but many of my friends are and I do respect that while you may not believe in God you do not outright deny his existence. I guess it all depends on the circumstance but I am truly glad that your not trying to use foolish arguments or position on this sight to get your way. (this is what happened on the last forum I was registered in)

I guess in the end it all boils down to what makes the most sense in any given situation.

Sorry to hear that. Here you don't get selected to be a mod if you're likely to do something like that.

Or to any given person. If someone wants to worship rocks, more power to them; maybe they know something the rest of us don't. Or maybe worshipping rocks is what's right for *them*. As long as they respect my desire *not* to worship rocks, I couldn't care less.

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This is exactly what I believe howbeit I don't know the exact stance the church has taken on such an idea but I do know that in the articles of faith in our church it says "We claim the privilage of worshipping almighty god according to the dictates of our own concious, and allow all men the same privilage, let them worship how, where, or what they may." so I am all for someone worshipping a rock if they see fit.

Question for Link:

I had a mormon friend once who was explaining all this. I gave him all the points where the theology was flawed, and he answered something like: 'it's not the founding of the religion and its past so much as how it observes ethical standards, conscientious decisions...'

Would you agree with this (the guy was a pretty devout mormon) or is it a misconception of the overall beliefs of the church?

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I do not entirely agree I believe the history of our church is what makes us so unique and what makes us a peculiar people. The founding of our religion is one of the most important aspects that sets up our ethical standards and decisions I would like you to bring your friend online sometime to explain his view. Once again though it all depends on the curcumstances maybe he personally believes that this is the basis of our religion but it is deviated slightly from church doctrine.

One man told an unbelievable story, and you folks believe it without any proof. David Koresh did the same thing. He was considered a leader of a cult. Truth be told Jesus was probably the same type of person.

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