Well if there is no profit involved in the Church then why in the world do your members have to pay to attend??

I know that not everyone does pay, however you know as well as I do that its a substantial majority who does.

Regardless of how many people Joseph Smith said could read the word of God, HE was unable to read it. No offense, but you dodged that one.

Also, historical fact disagrees with how the Book of Mormon claims the religion came to North America in the first place.

I dont want to type all of these things out...but here are a few links with questions that Mormons cant give a LEGIT answer to....

http://www.carm.org/lds/bom_problems.htm

http://www.carm.org/lds/diff_questions.htm

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"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments"

--George Washington

"Never spend your money before you have earned it."

--Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage is a majority."

--Thomas Jefferson

The book of Mormon is as funny and without substance as the Bible, the Koran and any other so-called holy book.

I disagree....And yes I am an Atheist.

There is actually some stuff in the bible and other religious books that IS backed up by historical scholars and science (you know the REAL stuff).

I personally believe that all religions are B.S. however I cant disprove most of them....

Mormonism on the other hand cant be backed up by ANY fact, cant be proven in any way, and historically speaking can be DISPROVEN in almost every aspect.

Look up what Historical scholars actually have to say about Mormonism and its claims....They actually laugh at it.


Honestly its not too far away from Scientology on the believability scale.

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"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments"

--George Washington

"Never spend your money before you have earned it."

--Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage is a majority."

--Thomas Jefferson

Which bits might you be referring to?
No one can. Just as no one can disprove the existence of pink unicorns or tea-pots orbiting Alpha Centauri.
I have no doubt.
I have no doubt at all.

Given my own personal beliefs on religion im not going to take the time to argue this with you lol.

I dont want to think even remotely hard enough to come up with certain aspects of the bible that can be backed up by historical fact, but there are most definitely some specific dates and or events that history has confirmed...

Mind you its not the important stuff lol.

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"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments"

--George Washington

"Never spend your money before you have earned it."

--Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage is a majority."

--Thomas Jefferson

Yes, we would, and we have, that's why they can trace a certain "mitochondrial Eve" back to roughly 100,000 years. However, over time, these genomes mutate in very small, minute amounts until they become different enough to be in their own haplogroup. It took roughly 50,000 years for the Mongolian haplogroups to become distinct enough from the original Eve for them to be in their own groups.

The scientific facts also prove that if people from a different haplogroup other than the Mongolian ones came to America before Coronado and mixed with the natives, we'd know it, because the only thing that changes the DNA is tiny mutations that take, as stated, many thousands of years, not 2,000.

Smith wants us to believe that:

(1) Millions of descendants of Abraham once existed on the North American continent

(2) All those descendants of Abraham who mingled with native Americans and 100% of their entire family tree, spanning more than 2,000 years, were completely obliterated from the earth

(3) All those descendants of Abraham who DID NOT mingle with native Americans, and 100% of their entire family tree, spanning more than 2,000 years, were also completely obliterated from the earth

(4) 100% of the millions of Native American just happen to be from the Mongolian haplogroups and NOT A SINGLE person from Abraham's descent survived

I'm sorry but I cannot believe this. If your faith tradition forces you to believe this, then good luck to you, I have no problem with that. Forcing this belief as "fact" is where I have the problem. It is not a "fact" that Jesus Christ walked on water and it is not a "fact" that Buddha performed miracles either, even though there are many accounts of such actions. It is a faith tradition, and up to each individual to decide.

Please do try and come up with at least one or two. Otherwise it is too much like shooting fish in a barrel.

It is not possible to disprove any god. The odd thing is that believers think this renders a certain credance to their belief that there is a god.

Presumably they feel it equally likely that there are pink unicorns on Mars, teapots orbiting the nearest star and invisible dragons in my garage.

lol....Again you make good points.

Its frustrating in a way because you can present fact after fact after fact after fact that disproves their beliefs, but even though they have ZERO proof they just end up at "well its faith and I guess you dont have any"

I get bothered by Mormon missionaries all the time living here in Utah, and when I present a bunch of things that disprove their religion thats all they ever counter with is "just pray and you will find that God speaks to you" or "pray and you will see the truth"

I always tell them about how I sponsor a beautiful girl through the Christian Childrens Fund (which is true) and how they said that they prayed and prayed and prayed for help...

I then tell these missionaries that it wasn't prayer that saved her life, it was me...an atheist and the money and some supplies that I have sent to her.

Her father died from starvation and disease...as did two of her brothers. Im sure they were praying back then. But they just didnt have any money.

My point with that, is that although I think MOST religious people mean well, I actually think that it hinders people because while a priest may be busy preaching the gospels to these sorts of people all over the globe, what they really need is money, food, and medicine from science in order to make a difference.

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"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments"

--George Washington

"Never spend your money before you have earned it."

--Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage is a majority."

--Thomas Jefferson

No one has to pay to attend it is a law of the bible for tithing but it is our choice whether we pay it or not no one will get excommunitcated for it.

I dodged nothing you never mentioned the inability of Joseph to read the word of god so I will say He did and can.

Historical facts actually agree with it.

I do not look on the anti-mormon sites as most of their arguments show a complete lack of brains.