Originally Posted by akc814ilv

And here is my problem with what you are saying....You DONT "know" that "God" took them home for a reason. That is what I dont like about religion, there are a whole lot of assumptions and not any proof.

Clearly we aren't going to see each others point of view on this topic, so at this point the whole religious debate in regards to whether its real or not (in this thread) is over for me. I live in Utah, so clearly I know how pointless it is to keep debating with a Mormon about their religion. I have yet to ever find one who would criticize anything about their own religion or admit any of its innaccuracies or faults. And you know what....Thats fine, at the end of the day it doesn't affect me at all. I am happy with the knowledge that I have and the life that I lead.

All im going to say in closing is that if there truly is a God and he/she/it has allowed all of these problems in the world to take place. All the pain and suffering and misery in the world......The honestly I think he/she/it is sick and wacky and I want nothing to do with "God"

Some of you have reasons you can come up with as to why "God" allows these things to take place. Thats fine, I respect your beliefs. Im just saying for me that I would rather that there isnt a god, because if there is one, then with my logic its not a "nice" God lol.

Originally Posted by Link S.

Correction I do know that God took them home for a reason and if you read LDS teachings you can see why the world is in such a sorry state. Man has done this to themselves God will never interfere with free agency and that is what man has used and that is why the world is in the pitiful state its in.

Originally Posted by akc814ilv

And how do you know that??


Im going to need some proof btw.

Originally Posted by catzmeow

Round, and round and round the logic goes, and where it stops, no one knows.

Originally Posted by Link S.

I know this because of my faith so I do not expect you to believe me that is your choice. I responded to you saying that the Mormon religion is the only one that you can disprove so I am debating on that premise. I am sure that you will hear a very similar answer from any Christians you come against.

It only makes sense. God will not force man to do anything and in your case you believe there is no God because man decides to use his agency to bring his own benefit and trample all over those who "Mean nothing". So tell me do you think that if everyone in the entire world really followed the teachings of Christ that any bad thing would happen? I am quite sure that if they all followed the teachings of Christ with their whole heart that nothing bad would ever happen.

Originally Posted by catzmeow

Round, and round and round the logic goes, and where it stops, no one knows.

Originally Posted by Ixtellor

I went from one of the main contributers to this thread, into totally none interested. I was a slow learner, but once I discovered that logic played no part of this thread, I left.

There are golden plates in Egypt, therefore Mormanism is true.

Ixtellor

Originally Posted by akc814ilv

My sister is Mormon and I have yet to ever hear her claim that she KNOWS what God is doing and for what reasons God is doing those things.

You can believe in whatever you want. However im done with this discussion because when you claim to KNOW that God exists, and KNOW what God is doing and why, then we are taking intelligent discussion out of this debate and I just dont want to discuss things if its not done intellectually.

There is MORE than enough proof out there to pretty much discredit Mormonism. There is FAR more disproving Mormonism than any other major religion out there. Joseph Smith is also the least credible of all "prophets" who are out there. I WONT have the same discussion with other people because their religions actually CANT be disproven. There has been plenty of proof posted here, links and websites were given. Examples were given. You are giving me Missionary talking points that I have heard a million times.

Im not angry or even slightly annoyed. For all I know your a good guy. Im just saying that as far as im concerned this discussion is just going in circles because im sitting here dealing in fact and proof and your going off of the faith argument and so neither of our points are going to resonate with the other.

Originally Posted by Ixtellor

I went from one of the main contributers to this thread, into totally none interested. I was a slow learner, but once I discovered that logic played no part of this thread, I left.

There are golden plates in Egypt, therefore Mormanism is true.

Ixtellor