I don't remember asking anyone to post on this thread if you do not like it Don't Post. It makes no difference to me if people claim that it is Illogical and then give no argument to back it up it only means they can't back up their statements.

I think the issue here is that your trying prove truth to something that is obviously idiotic at best. He found this but no one else could see it, the drunken frog proved the angels appeared before the 3-headed cat, the endless stream of urine was the color that he said it would be which backed up what the monkey typed out on the typewriter. So play all nice and peaceful, wax poetic but your reasoning is flawed.

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Liberals believe it is okay to kill babies, but not terrorists.

democrats believe it is okay to taser a 10 year old if this stance will get their guy elected.

I saw the title to this thread and was about to offer a very hearty "and so am I!", having first entered that particular realm one sultry summer night in 1971.

It was right about at that moment I realized my little problem with dyslexia was popping up again and I had simply transposed a couple of letters.

never mind.

Link....You keep asking us to provide proof. Dude it has been provided on here numerous times. Are you just intentionally overlooking it.

And just because the phony scriptures of the book of mormon say that God is in charge of everything and working everything out like he wants to, doesnt qualify as PROOF that YOU know what God's plan is.

You asked for proof before to back up my claims that I could disprove Mormonism. I did so in the form of links to websites which gave this information. The information from these websites can be PROVEN....

Yet your entire response was "I dont pay any attention to those antil LDS sites". So you pretty much just brushed off the proof I gave you.

At this point your just being ignorant and ignoring the points that anyone else makes. You have provided ZERO...I repeat...Z E R O PROOF to back up your religion and to disprove the information that some of us have provided. You just keep quoting scriptures from the Book of Mormon, and im sorry but that is the least credible "source" anyone could ever provide.

Back up your beliefs with some HISTORICAL FACT and ill listen to you. However just like Joseph Smith you are ignoring any reason or fact when talking about this "religion" of yours.


However I will AGAIN provide links with information. Some of it makes your church look bad, others disprove your entire religion. You can choose to just think of these sites as "haters" or whatever, but the information is verifiable and true.


This first link is an interesting website and asks all the hard questions that Mormons just cant seem to answer....http://www.bible.ca/mor-questions.htm

Here are some other sites I just pulled up at random that point out some flaws in your religion and also disprove your religion in other instances.

http://trialsofascension.net/mormon/lying.html

http://www.mmoutreachinc.com/mormons/mormon_myths.html

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/

http://www.jcsm.org/WR/noteworthyflaws.htm

http://www.jcsm.org/WR/twofalse.htm

http://mormonismexposed.blogspot.com/


I just posted some of the random ones that came up. You can do what you did last time and just ignore all of these, but that would be the typical Mormon response to people who question their faith.

Tell me though....How come Joseph Smith said that he would CHOOSE when he would die, yet he got shot and killed while in PRISON for trying to destroy a newspaper house that was about to print a story about his F'd up views on Polygamy??

Actually you should take the time to answer every single question from that first link I posted. The nice thing about that link is that every question that is raised is from your book of mormon......Meaning if you want to discredit the source you have to discredit your own faith lol.

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"Never spend your money before you have earned it."

--Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage is a majority."

--Thomas Jefferson

First off he wasn't the only one to see them there was the testimony of the three and eight witnesses.

Like I said everyone likes to claim it's illogical or "idiotic" yet fail to back it up.

On the contrary you are the ones providing zero proof posting links to misinformed anti-Mormon sites does not constitute as proof. The reason I disregard them is because all of their arguments are either juvenile or half-truth or lies or etc.

Why did the angel take Nephi Plates back to heaven? Do they not belong with man? Would not their existence prove once for all that Mormonism is truth? God allowed the Jews to carry the 10 commandments for several centuries in their original physical form, written by the finger of God Himself!

The plates were taken back to heaven for that exact reason. Man is naturally gready and with an entire book made of Gold would only serve as provocation for the gready theives of the world. It says in the scriptures to beware of sign seekers or people who say "Show me a sign that I might believe" the plates wouldn't prove anything because people could easily pass them off as being "forged by the mormons".

Will you, as a Mormon, please read the Bible cover to cover and ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of God's message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?"

I have read the bible cover to cover several times in fact it is part of our standard works and it is true but so is the Book of Mormon which is Another Testament of Christ.

If the original 1830 Book of Mormon was inspired than why were there so many errors and changes and additions and deletions, when compared to current editions?

Correct there were about three thousand changes to the Book of Mormon but like I said half truth pokes its head. These changes included spelling corrections, Grammar corrections, chapter separations, Chapter headings and so on. No meaning was changed at all you can compare them.

How can we be assured that the translation of the B of M into French or any other language is correct? Only the English translation is claimed to be inspired!

By far the most rediculous argument I ever heard once again no meaning was changed in translation.

How do you account for the stunning parallels in both content and order between the B of M and the View of the Hebrews, by Ethan Smith? Published in 1823 (7 years before the B of M) less than 100 miles from the Joseph Smith's parents home.

All christianity takes its roots from the jews so When won't there be a prallel?

Mormon Article of Faith #8: "We Believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." Why do you only add the phrase, "as far as it is translated correctly" to describe the Bible and not after the book of Mormon when in fact there are far more translating errors in the Book of Mormon than the Bible?

This one's hilarious the Bible has been changed SO many times that it is different no matter what religion you go to and it is estimated that there are over 5000 changes from the original Greek translation and more so added with everyones own interpretations.

I haven't even broken a sweat yet Like I said ridiculous half-truths and misinformed fables. Please come back with more substantial arguments I am not going to wade through all this junk.

Please bring up the sight (LDS please) that States that Joseph said he would choose when he died as I have never heard this even from other anti-mormons that I am arguing with.

I proved that Joseph Smith COULD have found Gold plates on another post and I will bring up historical proof of the Book of Mormon at a different time.

I told I know by my faith and You said that even your sister who is LDS doesn't claim to know God's plan when God has revealed his plan through modern revelation. So Don't tell me I have no proof just because YOU don't believe in God. God is there whether anyone wants to believe it or not all will be revealed at death so the question comes do you want to be wrong for eternity?

I will put it to you this way if I am wrong it will have no affect on me we will all just cease to exist and no one will be the wiser. If I am right, However, God will Judge those who live contrairy to him and it would have been better for you to have never been born ( I don't mean you personally I mean You as in the general populace who live contrairy to god)

Well according to your religion all I really have to do after I die is accept your faith and then I get to enter heaven (or some stage of it lmfao) anyways so ill be fine lol.

You took those questions and answered a few that you could....Only your answers were insufficient. Yes SOME of the corrections made were grammar related. However you are flat out wrong when you claim that none of the actual wording was changed and that the meanings themselves were changed.

Also you STILL are disputing these "anti lds" sites credibility. Yet they back up what they say with fact. You claim your religion is true without having ANY proof.

I prefer fact over blind faith. That is where our disagreement comes in.

No other major religion in the world has as many flaws associated with it as Mormonism does. As far as "prophets" go, Joseph Smith is also most definitely the LEAST believable and credible out of all of them.

This debate is going nowhere....You ask us to provide proof of our claims and I did so. Just because YOU dont agree with my proof is irrelevant. I provided it, you dont agree with it.

So you can continue to have your faith and ill continue to NOT have mine. ALthough the LDS religion is clearly bogus, it actually teaches some really good things and as far as its "values" go it keeps people living some pretty decent and pretty healthy lifestyles so your being Mormon doesnt bother me one bit.

But for all intents and purposes im done debating this. We simply aren't going to agree with each other. Your entire basis for your argument is based on blind faith and I quite honestly just cant stand arguing that way. Its nothing personal, I just like debating things based on historical fact.

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"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments"

--George Washington

"Never spend your money before you have earned it."

--Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage is a majority."

--Thomas Jefferson

I answered the questions validly and you are making the wild accusations again unfounded. I answered the questions in order if you care to look but like I said they are so ridiculous they don't deserve a comment if you have a specific question I will answer it but I will not waste my time posting answers to questions anyone can find if they care to look.

I never said that all you have to do is accept truth after death and our teachings don't coincide with this fabrication either. You have been exposed to the truth so whether you accept it after death or not you will still be judged for the decisions you made in life. It is not a free ride.

And once again you seem to be taken in by the half truths of the anti-mormons MOST changes were in grammar spelling and separation but you refuse to research the old BOM and compare it to the current BOM so that makes your arguments unfounded. If there are so many changes in meaning post them.

These sights back up what they say with half fact and try to pass it off as whole for instance how many anti-LDS sights say Joseph Smith was arrested for this or that or the other thing millions the fact is Joseph Smith was arrested for many trumped up charges yet try to find how many actually stuck through the court trial.

You seem to revel in making wild unfounded accusations like I said I do not bother with the Anti-mormon websites so if you want to bring up proof from one then post it because I will not follow links to these sights.