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Old 05-05-2008, 05:09 AM
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Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

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What does that letter have to do with the meaning of the Constitution?
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What does that letter have to do with the meaning of the Constitution?
Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom?
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To the OP: You are a victim of bogus propaganda. "Separation of Church and State" is a term used by Jefferson to elaborate on the first amendment.

From Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
Show us where the lawmakers ever indicated that the Constitution should be interpreted according to a term used by Jefferson in a letter more that a decade after the Constitution was adopted. Then I will show you where the lawmakers indicated that the words of the Constitution should be construed according to the common law rules of construction.

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Furthermore, Madison declared in an article to the Baptist Churches that: "Strongly guarded is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States"
Show us where the lawmakers ever indicated that the Constitution should be interpreted according an article James Madison wrote more than three decades after the Constitution was adopted.

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The intentions of the founding fathers are clear
The object of interpretation should be to ascertain the will of the lawmakers at the time they made the Constitution by signs most natural and probable. The most natural and probable signs of the lawmakers intentions are not letters written long after the instrument was adopted. The most natural and probable signs of the lawmakers will are spelled out in the "rules of construction."

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...even if those exact words are not present in the constitution itself.
You should learn the rules of construction and use them to interpret the Constitution rather than gather the meaning of the document from letters written by men whose views conform to your personal preferences.
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Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom?
Explain to us why you believe the meaning of the Constitution should be interpreted according to the Virginia Religious Act.
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