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Old 03-21-2008, 07:47 AM
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Default Seperation of Church and State?

Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof
; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances.

Where does it say seperation of church and state? Nowhere that comes from Article 124 of the Soviet Union's 1947 constitution can be translated to include the concept of a separation of church and state:

In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the USSR is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

The seperation of church and state is a Communist idea, NOT an American idea. The United States was founded by people seeking freedom from a government intolerant of their religion. Thus the passage limiting the peoples right to freely express their religion, speech, press and assemble.

I am tired of anti-American forces trying to change the foundation that this GREAT, GREAT Country was built on.
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Old 03-27-2008, 04:54 PM
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it says freedom of religion which is good enough for me.
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Must be a right-leaning community! So far the majority understand the 1st Amendment. It seems that polls are not that popular and anything having to do with religion isn't of interest to most people.
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This poll makes no sense. Of course the Constitution doesn't use those exact words. What's your point?
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This poll makes no sense. Of course the Constitution doesn't use those exact words. What's your point?
Actually I'm liking it as an idiot test. Regardless of whether you agree with the supreme courts ruling it certainly doesn't say that.

So at least hendrixpujols11 is looking a little dim. Maybe some more will fall in.

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Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof
; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances.

Where does it say seperation of church and state? Nowhere that comes from Article 124 of the Soviet Union's 1947 constitution can be translated to include the concept of a separation of church and state:

In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the USSR is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.

The seperation of church and state is a Communist idea, NOT an American idea. The United States was founded by people seeking freedom from a government intolerant of their religion. Thus the passage limiting the peoples right to freely express their religion, speech, press and assemble.

I am tired of anti-American forces trying to change the foundation that this GREAT, GREAT Country was built on.
Wait, just because it doesn't say something verbatim doesn't mean that is its intention? Reread the amendment. It says that the congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibit the free exercise thereof. That means the congress shall not make any laws dealing with religion. Keep religious ideas out of laws. So, separating church from state. And if you are insisting that this country was founded on Christianity (well, Christians like to say founded on religion but mean Christianity no matter how much they try to hide it) is wrong. Some of the founding fathers weren't Christians but rather Deists and some, like Ben Franklin were Atheists (although Ben became a Deist, but not a Christian).

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Wait, just because it doesn't say something verbatim doesn't mean that is its intention? Reread the amendment. It says that the congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibit the free exercise thereof. That means the congress shall not make any laws dealing with religion. Keep religious ideas out of laws. So, separating church from state.
See while I don't precisely agree with the OP you are taking it to far.

Make no law respecting and establishment of religion? Check

Don't prohibit the free exercise thereof? Check

No laws dealing with religion. Probably

Keep religious ideas out of laws. Um no. A law is not unconstituational if there might be some trace of religion in it's origion. A law is a law and all are dealt with the same way regardless of why there were written up in the first place.

But more what people are talking about is the abolishment of things that could be related to religion from things that could be associated with the state to the point that "seperation of church and state" actually is superceeding not making laws regarding religion and the free practice therof. It's jsut that the laws are banning religion not supporting it.
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This poll makes no sense. Of course the Constitution doesn't use those exact words. What's your point?
My point is... Seperation of Church and State is not in the Constitution, yet it is consistantly repeated by any group that wants religious symbols off public land. Also that the idea of seperation of Church and State is a communist doctrine not an American Doctrine. Ask any High School kid and 6-7 out of 10 will tell you it is in the Constitution.
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um CONGRESS SHALL ENACT NO LAW RESPECTING

and the whole point that this GREAT GREAT country was based on was to be ruled by nothing but the people, even if that meant a God.
Basically the founding fathers did not want this country to turn into a theocracy.
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To the OP: You are a victim of bogus propaganda. "Separation of Church and State" is a term used by Jefferson to elaborate on the first amendment. From Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

Furthermore, Madison declared in an article to the Baptist Churches that: "Strongly guarded is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States"

The intentions of the founding fathers are clear, even if those exact words are not present in the constitution itself.
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