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We believe that David is being punished in outer darkness right now for his murder and adulltery we also believe that he will not gain the Celestial Glory he would have had and has to settle for the lowest kingdom.
If this was true, then none of these men would be mentioned in Hebrews as examples of saving faith. And yet, they all are.
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We believe that David is being punished in outer darkness right now for his murder and adulltery we also believe that he will not gain the Celestial Glory he would have had and has to settle for the lowest kingdom. I didn't expect for your lack of adherence to be so obvious. It doesn't matter if you believe that it is an accurate depiction of character to call someone liar is a character attack no matter how you look at it I have not lied. I may have been misinformed and when I found the truth I apologized and we moved on. The lack of knowledge in the grounds of public figures amazes me. It is almost impossible for a public figure to get anywhere in court where character is an issue because they have to prove malice. In the realm of John Q. Public however it is almost always an open and shut case as long as all the evidence is there.
Link, if you were saying these things to men of David's or Moses's time, and this is just a guess. But you would have a group of very ardent supporters of the death penalty, right in front of you. You could start your own collection.
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Apart from the fact that I do not believe that Jesus even existed, why should he had been against the death penalty? I mean, fallowing Christian voodoo, ending the life of people comes down to leaving the judgment to god aka Jesus own father. Don't Christians believe that "god will sort out his own"?
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We have had "who would Jesus vote for" so which way would he vote re the Death Penalty? reasons?
Jesus' opinion of the death penalty...before or after he is arrested by the Romans for sedition?
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May I correct your "misinformation" yet once again. (This seems to be a habit of yours.) First off, D&C 76:28–35, 44–48, states that "Outer Darkness" is forever. See LDS.org for that one. So he will never see the Telestial Kingdom. But just so you are very clear on this: God forgave David. David wrote most (if not all) of the book of Psalms. Jesus is called, a "Son of David" nine times. (Matt. 9:27) God says that David was His servant. Jesus even refers to himself as the Son of David. So what you are saying is that Jesus is the Son of Perdition. Do you have any clue how far off that is? You didn't even talk about Paul and Moses? Both men shed innocent blood. How about them? Or was David someone you decided to pick on because you thought you were correct? And are you suggesting that God pulled Moses out of Outer Darkness to stand with Elijah on the mount of transfiguration, then sent him back after he was done? Are you suggesting that God used Paul to write most of the New Testament, then sent him to Outer Darkness as a Thank You??

Link, you should listen to yourself out loud, first, then post. Cuz right now, it is my firm belief that you are trusting in a religion that has sold you down the river.



Good, then I would expect another apology for "misinforming us" yet again.

And if truth be known, you give the impression that you aren't interested in the truth, you are a Mormon proselyte long before you will ever accept truth. You have too much at stake in your current life to ever consider that the LDS church is a sham.



As I said before. I am not all that smart. Can you dumb this down for me, so I can understand it. This whole paragraph is cryptic.
Since you were so kind as to post something from LDS.org I will do the same.
Quote: The prophet Alma explains that the wicked “shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil.” (Alma 40:13.)

On the other hand, “the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.” (Alma 40:12.)

These statements may seem to reflect the traditional Christian view of heaven and hell. (See Matt. 13:36–43.) But the Book of Mormon takes us a step farther. It describes these conditions as being, for most of mankind, temporary. Alma, for example, states: “Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection.” (Alma 40:14; italics added.)

The Bible alludes to that fact in a number of places. David is promised that his soul would not remain in hell (see Ps. 16:10; Acts 2:27, 31), and it was promised that others as well would be delivered from spirit prison (see Isa. 49:8–9; John 5:25). This, in fact, happened when Christ opened the doors of hell to missionary work among the dead. (See 1 Pet. 3:18–19; 1 Pet. 4:6; D&C 138:6–37.)

Those who hear and accept the message of salvation, whether in this life or in the spirit world, are raised “unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of (*)(*)(*)(*)ation.” (John 5:29.)

You will not hear an apology because no misinformation on my part was passed.

As for the Dumbing down of this post you should look up slander and libel in public figures cases.
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Same old argument... Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are three separat beings, because it is impossible for God to be three different beings at the same time.

The only problem with that argument is: This is - God - you are putting into a box. And the source of your information on this subject, is a grifter named Joseph Smith.
Let me reiterate a post that you put on not too long ago
Quote: "There are some things God doesn't have to explain."
So tell me why would God have to explain why he chose Joseph smith to be a prophet.

We believe that God follows natural laws and thus he wouldn't become three people in one we believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose but not in body. Plus why would God want to become his own child get born die and come back all while trying to maintain his status in the Holy Ghost?

Tell me if God and Jesus are One in body and the Bible is Time tested truth then why did the Martyr Stephen say in acts "54 ¶ When they heard these things, they were acut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. "

Now if they were one wouldn't he have said "I see God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost as they are one in body" or something to that extent.
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If this was true, then none of these men would be mentioned in Hebrews as examples of saving faith. And yet, they all are.
Yes because of their faith they will not have to spend eternity in outer darkness. I don't know about Moses however I don't think I heard of him shedding innocent blood someone please help out.
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Jesus' opinion of the death penalty...before or after he is arrested by the Romans for sedition?
He seemed to not want to be executed at first, according to Hebrews 5, 7-8:

7 who in the days of his flesh, offered with a loud cry and tears prayers and petitions to the one able to save him from death, and having been heard because of His reverence, 8 even though Son, learned from the things He suffered obedience,


However, Matthew 26 has Jesus willingly giving himself up to a mob a jews to be taken to Caiaphas, apparently knowing his ultimate fate.


Either way, according to Christian theology there would be no salvation without the execution of Jesus. That being the case, Jesus was obviously in favor of the 'Death Penalty'.
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He seemed to not want to be executed at first, according to Hebrews 5, 7-8:

7 who in the days of his flesh, offered with a loud cry and tears prayers and petitions to the one able to save him from death, and having been heard because of His reverence, 8 even though Son, learned from the things He suffered obedience,


However, Matthew 26 has Jesus willingly giving himself up to a mob a jews to be taken to Caiaphas, apparently knowing his ultimate fate.


Either way, according to Christian theology there would be no salvation without the execution of Jesus. That being the case, Jesus was obviously in favor of the 'Death Penalty'.
But that is only according to Christian theology (or should I say, mythology). The historical Jesus and his followers hid for months prior to the Sabbath when Jesus appeared riding a donkey (in a self proclaimed invocation of prophecy).

The historical Jesus did not want to be executed by the Romans for proclaiming his birthright of restoring the Davidic Throne.

However, we know nothing of Jesus' views on capital punishment against the Romans had the Davidic throne been restored.

And let's face it, Jesus dying for our sins is a crock of s**t.
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But that is only according to Christian theology (or should I say, mythology). The historical Jesus and his followers hid for months prior to the Sabbath when Jesus appeared riding a donkey (in a self proclaimed invocation of prophecy).

The historical Jesus did not want to be executed by the Romans for proclaiming his birthright of restoring the Davidic Throne.

However, we know nothing of Jesus' views on capital punishment against the Romans had the Davidic throne been restored.

And let's face it, Jesus dying for our sins is a crock of s**t.
The only source of information we have available to us concerning this issue is the Bible and a few Gnostic Gospels. All we can do is read them and draw conclusions based on them. That is why I said in my first post in this thread that the best we can hope to do is speculate......
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