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Old 04-14-2008, 05:32 AM
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People say that it is crazy to think that plates were found with religious writings on them I am proving them wrong.
I don't think anyone has made the claim that it was "crazy" to have found plates with religious writing on them.

The only criticism relating even remotely to that would be that there was no physical evidence presented for the existence of the Golden plates presumably found by Joseph Smith and that the sources presented for the existence and historicity of the Golden plates are either dubious (from conflictions or flat out disproof of accounts by witnesses or others) or have no sources outside of Mormon faith to prove their authenticity.

That religious texts have been written down in previous civilizations and used to document religious codes, law and/or beliefs does not mean the Golden plates are any more authentic than they currently are.
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"In 1933 two sets of gold and silver plates recording in the three forms of cuneiform, Ancient Persian, Elamite, and Babylonian, the boundaries of the Persian Empire were discovered in the foundations of Darius' hall of audience. A number of inscriptions, cut in stone, of Darius I, Xerxes I, and Artaxerxes III indicate to which monarch the various buildings are to be attributed. The oldest of these on the south retaining wall gives Darius' famous prayer for his people: "God protect this country from foe, famine and falsehood."

Interesting so Joseph could have found plates with writing on them.

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/iran/persepolis.htm
I must be confused.

Because someone far away has actual gold plates with writing on them, The plates that Smith claims he had, must be real?

If I said, I visted the magic world of Santa Stone. And described a sphere of massive stone blocks, and wrote about how God wants us to shave our heads and eat less fish, and stock up on sweet potatoes...

Would it verify my story, because someone found Stone Hedge?


Because X actually exists, does not mean that Y exists.


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Really have you seen the persian plates? The scientist now have them for study so that must mean that they don't exist.
Are you saying that a laboratory is a mythical place not in this world?
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Interesting so Joseph could have found plates with writing on them.
So did a angel help these guys too? Are people allowed to see these plates? Are there multiple translations cause they lost the first one and God got mad?

Seriously, Joesph Smith sold snake oil to a extremely gullible populace.
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Really have you seen the persian plates? The scientist now have them for study so that must mean that they don't exist.
But wait, there is evidence of their existence...photographs, for instance. Have you ever even seen a photograph, link? See? No one is asking you to believe blindly in the Persian plates. You believe in them because you've SEEN them, even if not at firsthand. So, have you ever even seen a photograph of your plates? And, if not, why not? You know, if God really wanted to spread the good news, one would think he'd spread it as widely as possible so the most people would have the opportunity to hear.

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Interesting so Joseph could have found plates with writing on them.
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/iran/persepolis.htm
Interesting that thousands of buildings, churches, villages, landmarks, and other archeological sites dating back 2,000 years or more can actually be found, documented, researched, and located that are mentioned among the many various holy books of the world.

Yet with the book of mormon, not a single city, town, base, river, nothing, can be found. Not a single relic of iron, gold, copper, or brass can be found - all which the book of mormon specifically state were in full use. No mining or smelting operations have been found, nor evidence of all the wars that went on in the new world. No history of many of the crops or livestock mentioned has ever been found. Interestingly, there is also no mention in the book of mormon of eagles, wolves, bears, or other animals that are easily seen all throughout North America and revered by the Native Americans.

The only evidence you "had" was "taken" back up into heavan, as if God has some shortage of gold up there or something.
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I don't think anyone has made the claim that it was "crazy" to have found plates with religious writing on them.

The only criticism relating even remotely to that would be that there was no physical evidence presented for the existence of the Golden plates presumably found by Joseph Smith and that the sources presented for the existence and historicity of the Golden plates are either dubious (from conflictions or flat out disproof of accounts by witnesses or others) or have no sources outside of Mormon faith to prove their authenticity.

That religious texts have been written down in previous civilizations and used to document religious codes, law and/or beliefs does not mean the Golden plates are any more authentic than they currently are.
You have misinterpreted my meaning. I am saying that it is very possible that a man could find plates with religious writings on them that is all. I said nothing about the how Joseph Smith found the plates that recorded the actions of Gods children on this continent.

The point I was making is that it is very possible for someone to find ancient religious texts I mean look at the dead sea scrolls. They would be in the same catagory as the plates.
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I must be confused.

Because someone far away has actual gold plates with writing on them, The plates that Smith claims he had, must be real?

If I said, I visted the magic world of Santa Stone. And described a sphere of massive stone blocks, and wrote about how God wants us to shave our heads and eat less fish, and stock up on sweet potatoes...

Would it verify my story, because someone found Stone Hedge?


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That isn't what I said now is it I said "So Joseph smith could have found plates with ancient writing on them"
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Are you saying that a laboratory is a mythical place not in this world?
No but your not allowed to see them so that must mean they don't exist.
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So did a angel help these guys too? Are people allowed to see these plates? Are there multiple translations cause they lost the first one and God got mad?

Seriously, Joesph Smith sold snake oil to a extremely gullible populace.
Question Why is it so hard to believe an angel helped Joseph Smith?

No the populace is not currently allowed to see the plates found by the scientists.

They as a matter of fact have three different writings on them. The Book of Mormon Was the smaller of two sets of plates when the larger set's translation was corrupted by the theft of the manuscript Joseph had to Translate only the smaller ones.
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