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Old 04-07-2008, 12:05 PM
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OK pal. keep believing what you want. you can live your life peacefully and that's completely irrelevant to how much you know about science. may God keep you and your family safe and enjoying your life.
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As has been pointed out, alligators are an example of modern dinosaurs. So clearly all dinosaur species did not die. Speaking in terms as wide as "dinosaur" is almost meaningless, for this reason.

Also, in all cultures around the world, there is the "dragon". Though there are different species of dragon (like dinosaurs), one might wonder how people who were not in communication with each other could independently invent the same "fictional" animals.

Also, new species of creatures are still being discovered and catalogued today. This shows that just because we don't see a species doesn't mean it isn't there, and we still don't know everything.
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As has been pointed out, alligators are an example of modern dinosaurs. So clearly all dinosaur species did not die. Speaking in terms as wide as "dinosaur" is almost meaningless, for this reason.

Also, in all cultures around the world, there is the "dragon". Though there are different species of dragon (like dinosaurs), one might wonder how people who were not in communication with each other could independently invent the same "fictional" animals.

Also, new species of creatures are still being discovered and catalogued today. This shows that just because we don't see a species doesn't mean it isn't there, and we still don't know everything.
Alligators are reptiles, current theory says that dinosaurs were not reptiles, and many were more closely related to birds.
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Alligators are reptiles, current theory says that dinosaurs were not reptiles, and many were more closely related to birds.
Well, according to evolution theory, it's all related. But while I can see a Pteradactl as being related to a bird, a Brontosaurus, not so much.

I guess dinosaurs need a new name if they are birds now. The moniker "thunder lizard" seems to refer to a reptilian creature.
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Well, according to evolution theory, it's all related. But while I can see a Pteradactl as being related to a bird, a Brontosaurus, not so much.
Brontosaurus, actually named Apatosaurus is believed to have been warm blooded.

There were reptiles way back then. But popular theory says that they were not related to dinosaurs.
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I'm not usually a supporter of "unnatural" science such as gene splicing, but I think we should clone some dinosaurs, so we can settle these questions once and for all. Is a Brontosuarus warm blooded? Does a T Rex breathe fire? We CAN find out now. That would also settle the question "Are dinosaurs living today?"
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I'm not usually a supporter of "unnatural" science such as gene splicing, but I think we should clone some dinosaurs, so we can settle these questions once and for all. Is a Brontosuarus warm blooded? Does a T Rex breathe fire? We CAN find out now. That would also settle the question "Are dinosaurs living today?"
They are trying to. But even if they can do it the way they are trying to. Then in the long run they will only have something that looks like a dinosaur. Not an actual dinosaur. Because they are basically reverse engineering animals that they think came from dinosaurs.

For example, right now they are using chickens, because they believe chickens, and some other birds came from the rapter family of dinosaurs.
They can not do it like in Jurassic Park. DNA even in a mosquito does not last for more than a few hundred thousand years.
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They are trying to. But even if they can do it the way they are trying to. Then in the long run they will only have something that looks like a dinosaur. Not an actual dinosaur. Because they are basically reverse engineering animals that they think came from dinosaurs.

For example, right now they are using chickens, because they believe chickens, and some other birds came from the rapter family of dinosaurs.
They can not do it like in Jurassic Park. DNA even in a mosquito does not last for more than a few hundred thousand years.
Even a mosquito, huh? I'm no scientist, but it seems to me a 100 ton creature might last a little longer than a mosquito.

But if they are, as you say, just trying to create a Frankenstein that looks like a dinosaur, that is worthless for research, and that is the kind of weird science that I dispise.
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Even a mosquito, huh? I'm no scientist, but it seems to me a 100 ton creature might last a little longer than a mosquito.

But if they are, as you say, just trying to create a Frankenstein that looks like a dinosaur, that is worthless for research, and that is the kind of weird science that I dispise.
I think you are misunderstanding me.

When an animal dies, and its body is left to the weather, the DNA breaks down and is gone, completely gone in a twenty thousand years or so. Even if that animal froze to death the DNA does not stick around much longer. Back in the late 80s and early 90s they found some mosquitoes from the era that had been preserved in amber, they thought that maybe if one of these mosquitoes would have had a blood meal from a dinosaur just before it died, that maybe the DNA from that dinosaur would have stuck around. It probably lasted a bit longer, but still broke down to its base pairs and was totally useless, basically as if it was not even there.

And yes you are correct, even using the method that may work to create a living dinosaur, it would not act like a dinosaur, would not have the actual color of a dinosaur, it would only look like one. But maybe, if they can do it, it may open up more feasable ideas later as science evolves, so maybe, unlikely, way down the road, another method may come about.

But the fact of the matter here is no matter how we make it, it would only be the way it is because of traits we choose to give it. You can not recreate an actual animal without its DNA.
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