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Old 04-11-2008, 11:53 AM
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Let me reiterate, I am a Bible believer. I believe God created the universe. I am not here to change your mind and vise versa. I respect your beliefs and scientific theory. Back when I was in school the teachers taught me that evolution was true because of the findings and proof of carbon dating. Many years later the scientists say that carbon dating is wrong. If I were to read every book by every author, I can tell you that I would be very confused. A lot you say sounds good and could be fact, but everybody has there own way of looking at things. My way has a lot to do with the Bible. I try to be open minded about many things. Humphreys looked at dating in a religious out look. Science is not going to prove the Bible wrong as well as religious people are not going to prove science wrong. This earth and universe is far to vast to understand it all. I take it that you are not a Bible believer and I respect that, but I can say that if we are both wrong we will never know it and if you are right again we will never know, but if I am right you are in trouble.
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First off, I would like to see a source that says Radiocarbon dating is wrong.

Now, I am going to go out on a limb here, and guess at what you are getting at.

Back in the day, it was believed that Radiocarbon dating could be used even if the subject was millions of years old. We found that it was not, so maybe that is what you are talking about for it being wrong. It can accurately test carbonaceous materials up to about 60,000 years old (before 2001 it was only accurate to about 15,000 years, but we found out about some stuff that made it so we could better calibrate stuff and gave us an additional 45,000 years to work with). After that it is no longer accurate.

There are now other more accurate methods that test samples that are older.
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First off, I would like to see a source that says Radiocarbon dating is wrong.

Now, I am going to go out on a limb here, and guess at what you are getting at.

Back in the day, it was believed that Radiocarbon dating could be used even if the subject was millions of years old. We found that it was not, so maybe that is what you are talking about for it being wrong. It can accurately test carbonaceous materials up to about 60,000 years old (before 2001 it was only accurate to about 15,000 years, but we found out about some stuff that made it so we could better calibrate stuff and gave us an additional 45,000 years to work with). After that it is no longer accurate.

There are now other more accurate methods that test samples that are older.
Yes thank you C-D-P. Sorry I didnt go into that far, but that is basicly what I was getting into. It just shows that we are still to young to know everything about this planet. We have a lot of grouing up to do.... "brothers" video in the begining is a good one. I dont agree with everything he says, but he does show another way of looking at things.
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Yes thank you C-D-P. Sorry I didnt go into that far, but that is basicly what I was getting into. It just shows that we are still to young to know everything about this planet. We have a lot of grouing up to do.... "brothers" video in the begining is a good one. I dont agree with everything he says, but he does show another way of looking at things.
Ok cool. Yes we do not know everything about everything, and any real scientist will tell you that outright. But we have proved that the world is more than six thousand years old.

Now I am a Christian, I simply believe that some things were interpreted incorrectly. There have been many instances where things have been misconstrued, and this has happened with all the religions.

Remember the whole a day is to a thousand years as a thousand years is to a day.
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You guys find any dinosaurs yet?
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You guys find any dinosaurs yet?
my son says I am one because I am reluctant to use this thing
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my son says I am one because I am reluctant to use this thing
Well hello, Mum! Nice to see you joining us. Looks like you have proven your son wrong,eh?
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Well hello, Mum! Nice to see you joining us. Looks like you have proven your son wrong,eh?
Dont encourage her BB please, she is quite a radical and is likely to throw the laptop out of the window!

I had to show her yet again how to swich it on, and we left her on it when we went to do the shopping for her, we are now back at home and it is switched off, just incase she tells the world about my potty training or lack of that skill in my childhood
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The Bible doesn't state the age of the earth. The 6,000 years thing is based on counting the generations in the Bible and counting the amount of time each "begat" lived.

Let's say you believe this to be fact. You still haven't accounted for how long the 6+1 "days" are and in my opinion don't account for how long Adam and Eve were in the garden. I think it could be easily possible that the days aren't literal or at least as we percieve them. A day to God may be billions of years.
People also fail to account for the bit about in the begining the world was void and without form, indicating the world was already there in some fashion or another.
Also, it could be argued without a hint of heresy that Adam's clock didn't start until he was expelled from the garden. We know Adam walked with God in Eden but how long isn't clear by any stretch. A week, 10 years, a thousand, 4.5 billion. We don't know, we assume.

Remember also that Genesis is credited to Moses who had to then get the data from devine inspiration, if we are to say it is reliable. We cannot ignore that Moses was a man, no matter how great and it would be very difficult for him to get any firm grasp on times in this context and certainly episodes of vision could be pinpointed as days by him but that may not be accurate, though honest.

There are also some odd things going on that aren't explained at all like where did Cain's woman come from? It's alluded to that she had a people but at the same time Adam and Eve were the first. Why would Cain be afraid that men would murder him, if there was no one else but his parents and his dead brother? How are these isues reconciled? Obviously some stuff is going on that we aren't made privy to that is being glossed over in some way or the Jews, the Catholic Church, King James, or some one along the line did an edit/delete job that results in serious confussion, if you bother to question or even think about the information in front of you.
I think there is plenty of room to believe that God created the universe without the Earth having to be literally 6,000 years and seven days.

Most importantly this is so far off from the spiritual content that it's totally unimportant. Why just turn your back on discovery? God clearly intends for us to question, learn, and understand. The purpose of his word is not to relieve you of the quest for knowledge.
Seriously, if one's faith is hanging on a 6,000 year old earth then you are far short of a mustard seeds worth.
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The actual extinction of the dinosaurs is under constant debate but one thing is sure they did exist. The multitude of dinosaurs were long past extinct when humans came around but there were still some and there still are a few dinosaurs left today. (i.e. crocodiles and alligators) These animals may be mentioned in the Bible but not noticably but the Bible doesn't say that they didn't exist.

crocs and gators were not dynos. The birds of today decended from the dynos.
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