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Old 04-09-2008, 10:14 AM
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lol, a godless child is a child in danger. oh no!
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"religion isnt unique to conservatives."

do you know what the above statement means? there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.
You are incorrect, per google the phrase mostly unique comes up with over 3 million hits making the use of the phrase not so unique. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
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If you do not believe in something, you will fall for anything.
Or fall for nothing (including religion).

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Your daughter will face an onslaught of negativity and temptation as she grows older.
She'll face those things regardless.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:22 AM
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Or fall for nothing (including religion).



She'll face those things regardless.
I think you are missing my point, which is fine.

As I say..."an onslaught of negativity"
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That is quite possible. But keep in mind not everyone sails the sea of dispair. Hence, no beacon of light is needed to find the way.
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If you do not believe in something, you will fall for anything.
Oh, c'mon. I'll agree that if you don't have some sort of moral compass, it's easy to be led astray. But nonbelievers aren't immoral, gullible fools. One's moral compass doesn't have to be rooted in religion.

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At age 8, my daughter already displays better morals and judgement than many adults. Precisely, I believe, because from the beginning we never painted the world as simple black and white.

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A foundation of religious morals can be the harbor's beacon of light in a sea of despair.
A foundation of morals helps, but it doesn't have to be religious. We teach our kids that good people are honest, helpful, kind, etc. We explain that good deeds tend to bring good things back on to the giver. We point out that the mean, selfish, lying kids have no friends or supporters. We set the example by always being truthful with them. There's not a single reference to religion.
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A foundation of morals helps, but it doesn't have to be religious. We teach our kids that good people are honest, helpful, kind, etc. We explain that good deeds tend to bring good things back on to the giver. We point out that the mean, selfish, lying kids have no friends or supporters. We set the example by always being truthful with them. There's not a single reference to religion.
Ahhh, a good Buddhist background will never lead one astray!
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i have a friend whose parents are atheists, and as a child, when he asked what happens when you die, his parents told him, nothing, you just die. he told me he started crying when he heard this, so his parents decided to tell him they were just kidding and that people go to heaven when hey die. hes an atheist now.

some kids dont take the realization of their mortality lightly. i know this post doesnt seem very relevant, but when i read the original post i thought of this.
No, it's relevant.

Psychologically, there are two things at play:

1. Kids at some point -- usually between four and six, I think -- develop enough mentally to grasp the idea that the world may one day not include them. For most, this is a shock.

2. Balancing that is the fact that most kids have no real fear of mortality. 80 years seems like forever when you're five.

With our kids, the "what happens when you die?" question came up separately from religion. We said "Nobody knows. Some people believe there is some sort of afterlife -- that you have a spirit or soul that lives on after your body wears out. Others believe that when you die, you die. There's no proof one way or the other, so you should think about it and believe whatever makes sense to you.

The important thing to remember is that you have a very long life ahead of you before you have to worry about that."

They accepted that without getting upset. Lots of follow-on questions showed up in the next couple of weeks, indicating that they were thinking about it. But the questions were thoughtful, not upset or scared.

My oldest came to the conclusion that when you die, you're probably just dead. She also concluded that she didn't believe in God because there was no evidence for it. But she's the one who has now read her kids Bible cover-to-cover twice. So I can hardly wait for her to announce her latest thoughts on the subject.

We're pretty sure our youngest -- the strong-headed one -- has not yet really considered the idea that there can possibly be a universe without her in it. After all, *she* is the *center* of the universe.
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Ahhh, a good Buddhist background will never lead one astray!
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I'm an agnostic and my wife can best be described as a deist, so we don't belong to any particular religion or go to church.

However, I was raised Presbyterian, and we talk to our kids about religion (covering the major tenets of all the major belief systems) so that they're not raised ignorant of the concept.

My 8-year-old loves stories of any kind, and lately has been asking me to tell her Bible stories. So I've been telling her some common Jesus stories -- the loaves and the fishes, the walking on water, etc.

Finally I asked her if she wanted to read them for herself. My Southern Baptist mother-in-law had given us a "Jesus loves me" kids Bible years ago, which we stashed on our bookshelf. I took it down and handed it to my daughter.

She disappeared into her bedroom, emerging hours later having read the whole thing. Now she's re-reading it catch all the details she missed on her first time through.

We've been asking her what she thought, and her response has been "some of it seems true, some made-up." She didn't find Noah's Ark all that believable, or most of the miracles. But she thought most of the rest of what Jesus did was plausible.

I frankly doubt she's going to experience a sudden religious conversion, but if she does that's her business. We have friends who go to church, and they'd be happy to take her along if she wanted to go.

Just thought y'all might be interested in how a family of unbelievers handles religion.
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yeah, i remember when i first thought about my mortality, i couldnt picture it. still cant, really.
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do you know what the above statement means? there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.
You are incorrect, per google the phrase mostly unique comes up with over 3 million hits making the use of the phrase not so unique. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
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