My daughter's religious curiosity - Page 7

catzmeow · #61 (**permalink**) 04-09-2008, 05:52 PM

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I'm told constantly that my faith is naive and "so 12th century"..

So, you defend your faith by implying that those who don't share it are incapable of morality?

Hmmm...What would Jesus do? Seriously.

Sickntiredofliblies · #62 (**permalink**) 04-09-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by raytri

That said, we're also adamant that our children's spiritual development is our business, not our relatives. My wife's parents kept trying to sneak religion into our kids' lives when they were young. We asked politely for them to stop, but finally we had to confront them and tell them to knock it off if they ever wanted to be invited back to our house or allowed to babysit (we'd come home and find them watching religious broadcasting with the kids... that sort of thing).

It wasn't because we opposed religion -- it was totally a matter of protecting parental prerogative.

ugh, I can already tell that's going to be a serious problem if we ever have kids. While my wife and I are perfectly fine respecting the beliefs of our relatives, they are not as considerate. They cannot stop trying to shove their faith in everyone's faces. Such a wonderful conflict to look forward to.

catzmeow · #63 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 06:13 AM

Been dealing with it for a decade, Sick. You will find a way to handle it. My kids sometimes attend services when the g-parents are in town, just out of courtesy, but I've also told my parents that cramming religion down their throats will minimize their contact with the kids (by the express desires of the kids themselves).

And of course, you have complete control over what happens in your home.

Herkdriver · #64 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by catzmeow

So, you defend your faith by implying that those who don't share it are incapable of morality?

Hmmm...What would Jesus do? Seriously.

True morality is founded in a belief system that imparts a higher authority than any human being. Catz, we are all sinners, we all fall short of the glory of God.

As I say, if you want to place your trust and faith in human endeavors....please be my guest.

You will never be short of disappointment.

stekim · #65 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 06:59 AM

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True morality is founded in a belief system that imparts a higher authority than any human being. Catz, we are all sinners, we all fall short of the glory of God.

I think the issue is that you state this as fact when it is merely opinion. Christians don't have the patent on "true morality".

catzmeow · #66 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 07:12 AM

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True morality is founded in a belief system that imparts a higher authority than any human being.

Sez you. My experience says differently. This is an opinion. You can't prove it, and it is not a fact. It's just what you think.

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Catz, we are all sinners, we all fall short of the glory of God.

Speak for yourself. I don't buy into that system. Again, see opinion in the dictionary.

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As I say, if you want to place your trust and faith in human endeavors....please be my guest.

I don't need your permission, sweet britches.

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You will never be short of disappointment.

Why do you issue these proclamations as if you are speaking fact? This is your opinion. I consider it mistaken and irrelevant. I like my life. My kids like our life. Your perspective on it is based upon no knowledge, whatsoever. Thus, it is meaningless.

If you want to proclaim these things about YOURSELF, well and good. But, why do you feel a need to proclaim them about ME? You are speaking from ignorance here.

And, you definitely aren't winning any hearts/minds for the cause. You are uttering your opinions as if they are proclamations of fact. In reality, you don't know. You just feel a need to be "right."

Herkdriver · #67 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by catzmeow

Sez you. My experience says differently. This is an opinion. You can't prove it, and it is not a fact. It's just what you think.

Speak for yourself. I don't buy into that system. Again, see opinion in the dictionary.

I don't need your permission, sweet britches.

Why do you issue these proclamations as if you are speaking fact? This is your opinion. I consider it mistaken and irrelevant. I like my life. My kids like our life. Your perspective on it is based upon no knowledge, whatsoever. Thus, it is meaningless.

If you want to proclaim these things about YOURSELF, well and good. But, why do you feel a need to proclaim them about ME? You are speaking from ignorance here.

And, you definitely aren't winning any hearts/minds for the cause. You are uttering your opinions as if they are proclamations of fact. In reality, you don't know. You just feel a need to be "right."

True morality is rooted in the permanency of a higher power than "us".

That's not an opinion.

That is a philosophical reality.

Cut the head off the snake, the snake dies.

Kill the rulemakers,

the rules die.

God cannot be killed.

Herkdriver · #68 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by catzmeow

Sez you. My experience says differently. This is an opinion. You can't prove it, and it is not a fact. It's just what you think.

Speak for yourself. I don't buy into that system. Again, see opinion in the dictionary.

I don't need your permission, sweet britches.

Why do you issue these proclamations as if you are speaking fact? This is your opinion. I consider it mistaken and irrelevant. I like my life. My kids like our life. Your perspective on it is based upon no knowledge, whatsoever. Thus, it is meaningless.

If you want to proclaim these things about YOURSELF, well and good. But, why do you feel a need to proclaim them about ME? You are speaking from ignorance here.

And, you definitely aren't winning any hearts/minds for the cause. You are uttering your opinions as if they are proclamations of fact. In reality, you don't know. You just feel a need to be "right."

to quote Shakespeare~

"Me thinketh thou protest too much"

You seem to go out of your way to explain how "happy" you are without God in your life.

Just peachy I'm sure.

catzmeow · #69 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 07:55 AM

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True morality is rooted in the permanency of a higher power than "us".

That's not an opinion.

That is a philosophical reality.

Philosophy is rooted in opinion.

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Cut the head off the snake, the snake dies.

Maybe, maybe not. If chickens can survive, why not snakes?

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Kill the rulemakers,

the rules die.

True. But, perhaps the rules will be replaced with better ones, as is the case with the old testament morality being replaced with the new testament morality.

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God cannot be killed.

You can't even prove that god exists, much less that he can't be killed.

Why debate this topic with you? Because your dogmatism amuses me. Why do cats play with mice? Because they are unhappy? Or because it makes them smile catty little smiles of schadenfreudal glee?

catzmeow · #70 (**permalink**) 04-10-2008, 07:57 AM

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You seem to go out of your way to explain how "happy" you are without God in your life.

Conversely, you go out of your way to explain how much more moral you are.

Methinks you doth protest too much.

Trust me, herk. No one here is going to judge you for those pink lacy panties in your drawer. We'll even smack your ass and call you Priscilla, if you'd like. Let your freak flag fly, this is a safe place.

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