Originally Posted by Koga

Why not? You can't prove without a shadow of doubt evolution is true.

But it effects how you study the Earth, politics, everything. Infact, most of the tribulations of our modern era have been the result of Darwinism. If it weren't for evolution, Hitler might've not been as succesful at convincing the populace of infirior races and having an excuse to slaughter The Jews and Polish.


Science is inseperable from religion because both are a collection of theories. Theories regarded as fact because they've proven to work more often then not work. That's all...

It is not only ignorant, but fascist of you to decide what is and isn't a religious issue and mixing it with political issues is forbidden. Considering politcs are simply ethical battles, and sense religion is closely linked to that, it's only natural they mingle.


Seperation of church and state only exists so we don't live in a totalrian nation such as ancient Rome. But it's also to keep us from a secular fascism such as The Soviet Union. Church and state should exist to keep balance toward eachother so we don't go back into those darker times...


Considering the fact that there hasn't been a politician yet that hasn't admitted to some sortof religious belief, I find it hard to believe that you give a crap about religious people intorgrating with state politics. Unless ofcourse you're just trying to be a hypocritical jackass, and don't mind it as long as it's to your bennefit...


If you ask me, religion has nothing to do with morality, morality is an independant entity fueled by rational trial and error, and has been engrained into us from years of evolution.


However, I believe religion holds a special place in people the same as anti-deppresents or a spouse. It just makes life better. You can disagree. I don't much care. I'm not going to force you to take anti-depressants or get married, but then you wonder why we mock you when you act bitter and revolting because you're jealous that we're in the park sharing saliva and you're at home looking at Russian poop porn.

Originally Posted by proof-hunter

Just don't get on that kick about GOD letting so
much bad happen in the world and does nothing
about it. because to me that would be what your
real problem is, that you hate a GOD that would
do nothing.

Originally Posted by proof-hunter

But if I may, I will explain why GOD does nothing
about the bad in the world.

It's because he made man in his own image, in fact
Jesus showed us by example that we are GOD
like our self, and can walk and do as Jesus did.

Therefore US, or should I say WE are the ones
in this world being god like who let the bad take
place, it is us who commit the crimes etc.

It is WE who is guilty of allowing the bad to go
on in this world. it is WE who argue about little
things like, DOES GOD EXIST, while people
in this world are suffering, and starving.
it is the GOD in the mirror that allows all this.


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Originally Posted by akc814ilv

Im the type of person who believes in FACT. I dont need 100% proof to believe in something, but in order to believe in religion I would have to believe in something with ZERO proof to back it up.

Originally Posted by akc814ilv

Personally I hope I am right and religion doesnt exists. Because if God truly is real and yet allows everything to take place in the world that does take place. All the rape, abuse, murder etc etc...Then I think God is one messed up dude/chick/entity lol.

Originally Posted by proof-hunter

My true thoughts about all this is simple.
if you don't want to believe it's OK to me.

But what is not OK to me is the desire, or
desperation to END ALL religion and call
it the evil making of the world, while at the same
time setting rules up in the scientific world that
says that if all scientific evidence points to
anything mystical magical, or spiritual that
it is not science at all.

Things we may see as magical may really be
scientific, just that we can not understand it.
and by not allowing it into science is like saying
"If I don't understand it, it's not worth investigating"

Again I will say it once more, DNA is evolution's
worst enemy, because it's existence in the
molecular world, mess's up Mr Darwin's plans
and ALL evolutionist's and atheists avoid
the issue and attack GODS character as
you have seen here in this thread.

And the issue of DNA is not going to go away,
and as we unlock more of it's code, it destroys
Mr Darwin's ideas. it's the code that won't go away.


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Originally Posted by BigRed

How does it?

Originally Posted by proof-hunter

Could you provide even a hint of any reason for supposing any god you currently believe in exists?


I see that you did not understand what I said
when I talked about DNA, CODE, and IDEAS.

Before any of those things can exist, life or a
conciseness has to exist first, yet life
or conciseness can't exists without those items
I talked about.

Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

By negating any need for such a being and negating any idea that such a being is needed to explain anything.

Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

Life can exist perfectly well without any intervention from anyone.

Why would you so believe in something for which there is not only n o reason, but not a shread of evidence? You might as well believe in orbiting tea pots.

The bigger question is why anyone at all would feel the need to "believe".

My only "problem" is that there is no reason to suppose there is any god of any sort.

That is the usual explanation of why the Judeo-Christian invention of a god is supposed to exist.

It is pure crap.

Would you have some actual believable evidence?