Originally Posted by votetheoneyouhatetheleast

Well put.

I went through a fierce atheist phase for a couple of years. I looked at all the bad things that religion was responsible for. It made me quite bitter. Then I watched a documentary about these fairly radical atheists and saw myself. I had become the venomous, hate filled vindictive person I was accusing religious people of being. Not all atheists are that bad, but I was looking for vengeance for a religion that had given me nothing. After I watched this documentary I changed to what I am now, a agnostic. Here I am happy until I get proof either way.

Originally Posted by JMS

we dont know it aint gonna happen. it may not sound probably, be we dont know for sure. no, im not saying that.

Originally Posted by Rebellion

You are incorrect, per google the phrase mostly unique comes up with over 3 million hits making the use of the phrase not so unique. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

What exactly would you require proof of? Why do you have such a problem with things currently being unknown? It is only a challenge that there are things about the Universe we find ourselves in that we don't know! And Ed I wish I could live long enough to know the very last detail of how our Universe was created and "what is outside it". But I know I won't as I'm just a hairless ape on this 3rd rock from the star we call the Sun. With an average life-expectancy of perhaps 80 years. I know this. And it bothers me. But it doesn't make me invent magic Sky-Daddies!

Why would you think an "eternal hell fire" existed?

Yes, people exploit people. That is not really a revelation.

Originally Posted by votetheoneyouhatetheleast

I'm an independent for one thing not a liberal. Just because I think Bush is an incompetent leader doesn't make me liberal, doesn't even exclude me from being republican, I choose to weigh up his actions and determine my own opinion, over blind party loyalty.

Originally Posted by Tarheeler

By using it as the explanation to everything, same as many of the fanatically religious do. Science can explain what has happened in the past, and help to predict what might occur in the future. It can not tell us what could have been or what will be.

Originally Posted by JMS

ive never died before, how would i know that? ive only ever been alive.

Originally Posted by votetheoneyouhatetheleast

Read my other comment. It's not necessary for you to get defensive.

Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

Current science is just another word for "our best possible model of how the world around us works". No one as far as I know "believe" in Science as a religion. There are no dogmas, no high-priests, no magic signs. There is just the exploration of our world and the knowledge we reliably acrue about it.

No, it doesn't disprove earlier findings. New models just explain more than previous ones.

Once again, science never proves anything. It just eliminates alternatives. And I don't recall any scientific model saying the Earth was flat. In fact the Ancient Greeks showed the Earth was a sphere and Science wasen't even invented untill 1500 years later.
Where do you dig this stuff up?

Not understood.

Sorry, but it seems to me you have no understanding of the scientific method at all. Please read up about this simple idea, perhaps in Wikipedia.

Not understood.

We are all mortals. Hard to face when first you realize it, but easier to accept as time goes by.

Originally Posted by votetheoneyouhatetheleast

I'm an independent for one thing not a liberal. Just because I think Bush is an incompetent leader doesn't make me liberal, doesn't even exclude me from being republican, I choose to weigh up his actions and determine my own opinion, over blind party loyalty.

Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

I read it.

Originally Posted by votetheoneyouhatetheleast

I'm an independent for one thing not a liberal. Just because I think Bush is an incompetent leader doesn't make me liberal, doesn't even exclude me from being republican, I choose to weigh up his actions and determine my own opinion, over blind party loyalty.