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I would Tarja...among other things...

Yeah I agree...

Like I said I dont have any problems with them believing in whatever they want. Thats entirely up to them and if it helps them in any aspect of their lives I actually support it as long as they aren't pushing it onto me, or trying to get it into politics.

I just dont like statements such as "I know that God is real" or anything even remotely like that because its simply an outright lie. You can THINK that God is real, or maybe even feel strongly about it. Heck maybe you think you can "feel him around you". But at the end of the day its all speculation and faith....and HOPE.

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I would Tarja...among other things...

I have heard that before too....I always ask what God's voice sounded like. Of course they cant answer that and they say it was meant to be in an "interpretive sense" or something like that.

It then still goes back to them ASSUMING that God was talking to them, and then we get back to the entire faith issue.

Again its still just blind faith.

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"Never spend your money before you have earned it."

--Thomas Jefferson

"One man with courage is a majority."

--Thomas Jefferson

I don't think they usually literally mean that God "spoke to them."
Being a born-again nontheist, I can attest to the overwhelming feeling of the "religious experience" which Christians think is the "Holy Spirit" and other religions define other ways.

Given the assumptions of Christianity, the belief that this experience is somehow a physiological proof is accurate.
How it stays that way when people become aware that hose of all faiths get it is beyond me. I think it's a matter of tunnel vision. We're all guilty of that at some point.

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Well first off I don't believe in Magic I believe that God uses very natural means to fulfill what others might consider to be "Magic".

It is easy to believe in a personage who knows all science great and small and thus is a God as he can influence matter and time and dimensions and so on at will using natural means.

Why not? You can't prove without a shadow of doubt evolution is true.

But it effects how you study the Earth, politics, everything. Infact, most of the tribulations of our modern era have been the result of Darwinism. If it weren't for evolution, Hitler might've not been as succesful at convincing the populace of infirior races and having an excuse to slaughter The Jews and Polish.


Science is inseperable from religion because both are a collection of theories. Theories regarded as fact because they've proven to work more often then not work. That's all...

It is not only ignorant, but fascist of you to decide what is and isn't a religious issue and mixing it with political issues is forbidden. Considering politcs are simply ethical battles, and sense religion is closely linked to that, it's only natural they mingle.


Seperation of church and state only exists so we don't live in a totalrian nation such as ancient Rome. But it's also to keep us from a secular fascism such as The Soviet Union. Church and state should exist to keep balance toward eachother so we don't go back into those darker times...


Considering the fact that there hasn't been a politician yet that hasn't admitted to some sortof religious belief, I find it hard to believe that you give a crap about religious people intorgrating with state politics. Unless ofcourse you're just trying to be a hypocritical jackass, and don't mind it as long as it's to your bennefit...


If you ask me, religion has nothing to do with morality, morality is an independant entity fueled by rational trial and error, and has been engrained into us from years of evolution.


However, I believe religion holds a special place in people the same as anti-deppresents or a spouse. It just makes life better. You can disagree. I don't much care. I'm not going to force you to take anti-depressants or get married, but then you wonder why we mock you when you act bitter and revolting because you're jealous that we're in the park sharing saliva and you're at home looking at Russian poop porn.

Are you going to tell me that no genocide had occurred before that?
I bet the Canaanites would disagree.
He used the social darwinism excuse for the same reason eugenists did and the same reason the racism-justifying anthropologists of that age did: It was convenient for their preconceived notions.
But to suggest only Darwinism could produce such a justification? Please. Religion's had a millenia-long headstart on Darwinism for that.


Wrong. Religion has no theories. Just theology. Theology is philosophy. It is untestable.
Scientific theory can be tested and is. It tends to be more deductive.
The religious equivalent is more inductive... if that.

I basically agree with you on that. I don't think there should be restrictions in a democracy as to what points of view can be taken. I just hope that we remain sane enough to limit the influence of imposing religion through the government.


I agree with you on this as well... (*)(*)(*)(*). After that beginning I was sure I'd have more to fight with you about.

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Perhaps people prefer to believe that Humans are not a freak chance but part of a intelligent design.

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Without a doubt... but only because they are conditioned to think that it matters.
I think people are a fluke of nature... and it does not do anything to keep me from seeing meaning in our existence. It seems natural to being alive to see some point in existence... whether it was planned or not.

When freak occurrences make you happy, do you have to question why they came about in order to enjoy them (maybe how... I'd hate to think it happened because of something that killed someone else or something)?
Why should life be different?

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