Actually there is NO proof.
If there was proof, there would be no aethists.
If there was proof, and it was proof that the Christian faith was the one true faith, then there would be no people of any other religion.

Its like Volcanos.
There is no group of people who claim volcanos do NOT exist. You will never see a debate about the existance of volcanos. Why? Because there is hard empiricial evidence that volcanos exist. It is conclusive.

No if you define "proof" like David Korresh or Jim Jones did, then there is probably lots of "proof".

Writing down "god exits" is not proof.

The day God shows up and he is 500 feet tall, and he turns Kansas into gold, and slays 1 billion people, there will be no more aethists or non-believers. The entire world will convert to whatever the big guy says to convert too.


Ixtellor

P.S. I have proof that Cows rule the world. If you can not discern this, it doesn't mean that the proof isn't there. You just refuse to believe the evidence/proof that is right in front of you.

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George W. Bush "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building"

Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

You lack a healthy skepticism. This event DID NOT HAPPEN.


Source

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Job 13:5 (New International Version)
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

If you are serious about exploring the possibility of God, I have a suggested reading for you sir. Granted it's not exactly "easy reading".

Thomas Aquinas' 'Summa Theologica'

Chapt. 1 begins w/ Prima Pars or
Sacred Doctrine
"We cannot know what God is, but only what He is not. So to study Him, we study what He has not -- such as composition and motion"

It is very easy to dismiss God. I did this for over half my life. I had no need for religion or any God. I was too absorbed in my own life to care or bother. I was caught up in the pursuit of career and materialism. I flipped the station when a Minister or Preacher was speaking of God, waste of time I thought...they only want my donations. The Catholic church was too busy hiding pedophilic priests...

I was lucky, my heart had not yet hardened past the point of no return. I mistook human frailties and failings as proof God answers no prayers; God is just an excuse, religion is weakness.

I hope that you too sir, do not allow your heart to harden to the possibilities of God.

For with God, all things are possible.

In order to begin this spiritual journey, the words of Thomas Aquinas must be accepted...
We cannot know what God is.

Hence it is a spiritual journey and one worth taking.

I find it interesting to observe, Herk, that you NEED there to be a battle ongoing between faith and not-faith, between dark and light, between good and evil.

I don't see that battle. I see a race of hairless primates with well-evolved opposable thumbs and a large brain, who are capable--simultaneously--of great good, and great evil.

There is no vast, unseen war between principalities and power, between forces of darkness and light. There is just us, trying to do the best we can. Sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing, but still, trying.

You also need people to read books in order to see things from your perspective. I'm not particularly interested in doing that. I already know everything I want to know about the false dichotomy known as black/white thinking. It's illogical. It doesn't hold up in the harsh light of reality. And, it's simply too primitive a way of looking at life to function well in this modern era.

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Job 13:5 (New International Version)
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

and?

This is supposed to prove God doesn't exist?

So my story turns out to have factual errors. I was telling it in 3rd person format, I was not a witness.

The girl wasn't martyred for her faith, so you say...

doesn't really prove or disprove anything beyond my using it in argument format was a poor example..

I have already conceded the point, I am human and therefore prone to make human errors...
that's all you just proved.

I'm encouraging all who bother to read my stuff...maybe it's no one at all, or maybe it's one person, to explore their spiritual selves.

Maybe someone out there is contemplating suicide or is depressed. I speak to them.

Apparently you've got your "act together" you have things "figured out".
Screw God, in other words.

I speak to the disillusioned and the un-satisfied.

They are not alone, God will NEVER abandon them and their life as all life has value.

As I have said, your heart seems to have hardened to receiving this.

When you look at a watch, what do you see?

The dial, the numbers, the shiny band?

Do you ever stop to think of the watch-maker?

or just the watch?

You dismiss human experience to all of "we just have opposable thumbs, we're pretty much just chimps"

That is the most closed minded form of thinking there is, and it condemns you to a very limited and finite materialistic view consisting of

It only counts, if it can be counted.

You ma'am, are the closed minded individual here.

herk, i see you equating faith with the teachings of a Bible which lacks credibility (for a variety of reasons) and requires a subscription to dogma
that, of itself, kills credibility. why would that be necessary to an omnipotent God. as these discussions eventually evolve, God becomes defined in mans' image
just as Islamic extremists abuse their faith to indoctrinate others to follow their (supposed) God-ordained will in the commitment of evil, that manipulation of faith for unGodlike acts is not foreign to (supposed) Christians
"God" is too often co-opted to manipulate the will of others

i can imagine a time when uncivil behavior was predominant, that concocting stories of magical happenings might be an effective means to bring civilized behavior to those in need of it. to impose a fear of a great unknown which insisted on cooperation and goodness, that such fire and brimstone was sufficient to trump antisocial behavior. so, it is not that i cannot see the benefits of preaching this as a mollifying force to try to harrness the evils that do exist

but, for some, who have no use for the dogma and the collective reinforcement of traditions, the alternative can be spirituality ... which is not nothingness. but neither is it subscription to comic book beliefs

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Encourage faith in this increasingly faithless World.

A journey is always more pleasant when it is shared.

Herk. When did your relationship begin?

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?