A large part of the problem that Islam has is this rhetoric from Western cultures to want to remove it or label it as evil.

I recognize it as a Faith that should be respected, because within it also resides the common ground of God and Family.

We are in the same struggle my friend to maintain Faith in this secular, increasingly amoral World to keep God in the forefront.

The last two major studies on prayer found that it had no merit. In both studies they did used open and blind methods. In the open methods in one study (open = the patient knows he is being prayed for // blind = they did not know that they were being prayed for) the patients suffered MORE complications.

I will think about your challenge.

Ixtellor

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George W. Bush "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building"

Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

God cannot be quantified.

God cannot be counted.

God cannot be reduced to numbers.

Suffering exists, disease exists, wars exist....

Prayers may not cure these, they may have no effect....

but that means nothing really...God does not promise Heaven on Earth and a life without pain....only a promise of eternal life after death by believing in Him.

I side with humanity, I side with meaning.

In your World seemingly, none have value.

Who is to say that anyone who is no longer capable of productive work should be euthanized.

These are all possible scenarios in an amoral purely rational World.

Why should we as taxpayers support a bunch of old geezers who can't work anymore.

Why not just kill them? Isn't that a rational decision?

We'll save money, we'll save a lot of future debt.

Good luck in your Godless "Rational only" World of the future...

don't think it won't happen...

China already practices infanticide.

Google it my friend.

That is the future without Faith.

You need the bible to show you that Hitler was a bad guy?

By the way, what is the difference between Hitler and the Noah and the ark story? What is the difference between Hitler and when YHWH destroyed the amorites, sodom & gomorrah, etc.? Why is Hitler's genocide different from when your tribal deity commited genocide repeatedly in the old testament?

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Badly behaved.
Hedonistic Lemming.

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JW Frogen, my new favorite noob poster:

If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

Your god practiced infanticide.

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Badly behaved.
Hedonistic Lemming.

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JW Frogen, my new favorite noob poster:

If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

Ethics is not a part of science. As I said above, science isn't everything. Ethics does guide the areas of the universe that science is used to explore. It's just that the morals of said scientists may not agree with those of Christians. Many atheists/agnostics consider themselves humane, but they don't necessarily have anything against "stem-cell research, cloning, manipulation of the human genome, abortion".

I don't consider myself "moral" per se. I prefer the term "humane", because I see no reason to guide myself with rules, but rather just avoiding things that make me feel bad for doing. Formalizing that into "morals" is just a bit pedantic, rigid, and usually incomplete.

In any case, while I consider myself humane, I don't have anything against stem-cell research, cloning, manipulation of the human genome, or abortion (if done before a brain forms). Many kinds of technology can be abused and used in an inhumane way, but that doesn't mean the technology shouldn't be developed.

I haven't seen that study. Not saying it's true or false. Just haven't seen it. Got a link?

They have ethical policies. You may disagree with some of them as morals are not quite as absolute as you think, but they have ethical guidelines.

To me they could be immoral, moral or amoral. It depends on what they are doing exactly and for what purpose. Just saying "cloning" doesn't tell me much.

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This thread isn't specific to a religion. Just the concept of Faith itself.

I think you are referring to the Old Testament regarding this, and yes it is
part of scriptures, I won't say it is not.

A literal interpretation of both Old and New Testaments frequently has contradictory statements. Remembering of course this was written by human beings on behalf of God, and not God directly. A literal interpretation of the Holy Bible is not necessary to grasp the concepts of Judaism/Christianity.

I am not a Bible scholar, I do not pretend to be.

John 3:16 is all I need.

God cannot be quantified or textualized...this is why he created Jesus in the form of a human so that we may understand what God is.

That is my Faith.

There are other beliefs, all should be respected, which I do. We are brothers and sisters in a shared journey of meaning.

Christianity and Islam are two rays of light from the same source.

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Darkness imprisoning me
All that I see
Absolute horror
I cannot live
I cannot die
Trapped in myself
Body my holding cell

Land mine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell