Religious belief is completely incompatible with democracy because it places the deity as the source of sovereignty (political power) and not God, religion also poisons politics and creates theocratic institutions.

Religion and religious extremism can never be 'moderated', you either believe in the texts and what they say or not!

Simply put, you either believe what in your religious texts or you do not. If you do you believe in a celestial dictatorship where every human being is completely supervised and invigilated without letup every instant of your life from conception until death - and at death is where the real fun begins - because you either go to a paradise which according to every description I have read would be hellish, consisting of eternal praise and perfect servitude, unending and benign - worst of all a benign dictatorship. Or you go to Hell for eternal torture for an offense which you probably couldn't have failed to commit, because as is well said about religion once: 'it postulates that we are created diseased and then ordered to be well'. I don't know about you but I find religion a disgusting idea.

Religion supports dictatorship and needs to be destroyed from secular political life!

Eh? Religion gives "the deity" control over who has political power, and doesn't give it to God? Isn't God "the deity"? You're not making sense!

How can politics be poisoned? It's all about conflicting motives fighting for top dog influence... Religion just adds to the list of motives.

You realize that to be "moderated" means to be tamed by some external force. For instance, a government could restrict a religious extremist group from being able to do certain things. It has nothing to do with the believers themselves compromising with their beliefs.

That only describes the beliefs of a small subset of religions.

"Destroy" probably wasn't your best choice of word. You're likely to trigger angry responses simply due to the connotation of the word.

I'm going to steer clear of these religious threads from now on, since it's the dog chasing it's tail to debate about it. I will say this, it is very clear in the Bible what Jesus' take on this is.

This is a succint summary of the relationship between religion and secular authority.

"“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

As they say in the Marine Corps, "your soul may belong to God, but your ass belongs to the Marine Corps"

I agree that religion is bad, but your rant makes no sense.

You forget that God gives us free will. We can do what we want and no matter what God will love us.

Democracy is the best expression of this free will and thus democracy is completely compatible with the idea of God.

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This is contradicted by reality because whenever religious parties or individuals get into power they always try to push their religious 'morality' on everyone else whether they like it or not.

As opposed to seculars who simply try to push their morality on everyone for the lulz?

Sorry but I don't buy it. As crazy as it may sound, I'd rather follow morality because it has some divine purpose over the fact that a gun's pointed to my head and I'm told to just do it.


The only difference between theocracy and monarchy is who to blame. You want to take it up with God or dur fuhrer?

And it's worse if democracy, cause then I got to take it up with everybody, and who has the time?

democracy is people choosing for themselves.
religion could only control a democracy if the people decided to let it,
which would mean the people decided,
and democracy is still alive and well.
government should be representative of everyone. yes, even religious people.

as for other political systems, yeah religion can be a problem.
look at the middle east.

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