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I guess that settles it.
IT does for me
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I think the idea is that the phrase "God" is generic and not related to any religion specifically, thus not a state endorsement of any religion.
Generic religion is Satan's religion, dude. Religion is always corrupted whenever it is subjected to civil authority. In the case of the law regarding "In God We Trust", the corruption is such that the God Congress wants us to trust is unidentifiable.

It's no wonder that religion is on the decline. The government tells us to trust in God, but doesn't tell us which God we're supposed to trust. Kids are trained to look to Congress for religious advice. However, Congress doesn't tell them which God to trust. Kids lose respect for all religion because they see it as just a tool to be used to achieve political goals.

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It can even just be a symbolic interpretation of some abstract concept.
The abstract concept suggested by the "In God We Trust" law is that Congress has authority over religion.

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It's empty rhetoric that makes religionists feel comfortable without seeming all that threatening to non theists, so I suppose it's kind of a compromise.
Compromised religion is corrupted religion. Corrupted religion is the devil's religion.
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Compromised religion is corrupted religion. Corrupted religion is the devil's religion.
I've never heard of uncorrupted religion.
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It might violate your constitution, but it's been on there for a long time now and has become part of your history.
So what? Congress had no respect for history when it passed the abominable legislation in 1864. It should have no respect for history when the laws are abolished.

PS: The Presbyterians claimed that declaring our trust in God would bring us under the protection of God. However, that was not the case, at least for President Lincoln. He was struck dead, by the hand of God perhaps, on the same day he signed the law putting "In God We Trust" on the nation's coins.

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The design/motto can be considered a sort of national landmark of some sort.
I agree, it marks the day we turned our backs on God's authority over religion.

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As an atheist myself, I couldn't care less.
Most people don't care. The American people, while they have allowed the government to assume a tiny bit of advisory authority over their duties to the Creator, consistently reject attempts to expand that authority.

I believe it is important that we understand that "In God We Trust" is an exception to Constitutional principles, not an expression of them. Toward that end, I applaud those who constantly remind us of that.
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I don't think any of it was hurting anything
Religion is always corrupted when subjected to civil authority.

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The ACLU is a commie org.
You're the one who believes in the communistic principle of government authority over religion, dude.

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and just found a way to take god away from the people
Why do you have such a craving for government influenced religion?

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Religion is always corrupted when subjected to civil authority.

You're the one who believes in the communistic principle of government authority over religion, dude.

Why do you have such a craving for government influenced religion?
Always ? so there are no good religions?
I do not believe in a State Sponsored Religion.
all I said was Christmas decorations and In god we trust on our money was not hurting a thing.
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If I was an Atheist I think I would just smile to myself every time I saw "in God we trust" and laugh at all those idiotic religious believers. People do lots of stuff that offends me and the government does more than all the people I know combined, but this issue is a nonentity. It really is just four words on some money that has no real meaning.
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all I said was Christmas decorations and In god we trust on our money was not hurting a thing.
As long as other religions were allowed to put up their symbols on public property during their holy days, then no problem.
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For the government to remove the words from our money would be showing support for Atheism, which is a religion and therefore the government would be promoting a religion. The best thing to do is just not to change it, and screw all those PC people who want to worship the state.
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Isn't Atheism the lack of religion?
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