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Old 05-07-2008, 02:39 PM
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I vote for "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy".

Of course, I guess the font would have to be kinda small.
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It was put their when everyone in America was Christian, just in different sects, and was therefore religiously tolerant.
How does that explain it being made the National Motto in 1956? Was everyone in America a Christian in 1956?
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Always?
Yes, always, without exception.

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...so there are no good religions?
It is interesting that you would consider government influenced religion to be "good" religion.

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For the government to remove the words from our money would be showing support for Atheism, which is a religion and therefore the government would be promoting a religion.
Are you a Calvinist, by any chance?
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First, that's illogical.
It's perfectly logical if you start with the Calvinistic assumption that the government should have authority over religion.

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Refusing to make a statement about religion neither supports nor attacks religion or atheism or anything else.
Yes it does, according to Christian extremists, such as the The Synod of the Reformed Presbyterian Church, North America, circa 1834.

Read the 1864 letter written by Reverend Wilkerson proposing that the people's trust in God be placed on the nation's coins. He accuses the founders of being Godless heathens.

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Because the coins don't mention apples, can we assume that the state hates apples or supports apple atheism?
That makes sense you you and me, but not to those who believe what Calvin did about religion and civil authority.

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Second, that's a weird argument to make. Putting the words on in the first place isn't promoting religion, but removing it is?
If you want some more odd arguments, you should read the following:
ARGUMENT FOR THE JURY LAW.

[Published as an Overture, 1834.]

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The Synod of the Reformed Presbyterian Church, North America.

...We proceed now to establish the charge of immorality against the Constitution of the United States.

1. It does not acknowledge or make any reference, to the existence or providence of the Supreme Being. The nation, as such, has no God. This is an essential evil in the constitution, which involves the hideous charge of national atheism! "The general government is erected for the general good of the United States, and especially for the management of their foreign concerns: but no association of men for moral purposes can be justified in an entire neglect of the Sovereign of the World. No consideration will justify the framers of the federal constitution, and the administration of the government, in withholding a recognition of the Lord and his anointed from the grand charter of the nation."

http://www.covenanter.org/RPCNA/jurylaw.htm

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As long as other religions were allowed to put up their symbols on public property during their holy days, then no problem.
sure go ahead it would add the the festive spirit!!
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Personally, I don't even consider X-Mas to be a religious holiday. It's not like Christians started it.
personally I don't give a rats ass what you think !
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That's still illogical.

Say 100 years ago, everyone agreed that redheads were inferior. So they put on the coinage "Kick a redhead today."

Now, 100 years later, we don't think redheads are any different than anyone else -- and certainly the government has no business supporting or attacking redheads, blonds or anyone else for hair color.

According to your logic, deciding to remove the "kick a redhead" slogan would demonstrate a pro-redhead bias on the part of the government, and thus shouldn't be allowed. Which is plainly silly.

Similarly, going from a pro-religion stance to a neutral one is not supporting atheism; it's correcting a mistake -- taking a situation that is biased in favor of religion and returning it to its correct, unbiased state. Remove the words "In God we trust" from the coins, and the government is simply silent on religion -- neither supporting or attacking it. As it should be. Religion is the private business of the people -- the government should keep its nose out of it.
it's different because you're asking for someone the hurt someone it is a dumb analogy and the phrase is not hurting anyone
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Yes, always, without exception.

It is interesting that you would consider government influenced religion to be "good" religion.
i do not want government influenced religion I simply said the friggin phrase IN GOD WE TRUST WAS NOT HURTING ANYONE
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i do not want government influenced religion
That's good to know.

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I simply said the friggin phrase IN GOD WE TRUST WAS NOT HURTING ANYONE
It's an infringement of the right to government with no jurisdiction over religion.
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