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Old 05-11-2008, 05:34 PM
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I'm game with allowing the religious people to put their hearts where their mouths are and go for a god that REALLY wants their heart. Sadly, stupidity is not a function of race (how much easier would THAT make things?) I wish the idiots were self-labeling, though some certainly are.
Well the problem is that "idiots" (idiot can be very subjective in and of itself, there are differing levels of ignorance or lacking common sense) can vote the same as everyone else. For that reason, people need to be patient with "idiots" and try and educate and/or persuade them. It would be wrong to simply kill off or subjugate or enslave everyone you don't agree with because that only increases the risks of civil instability.

Religion is probably the largest piece of B.S. in the history of the human race, but science is still relatively new considering the hundreds of thousands of years it took for us to evolve to this point. It might be quite unreasonable to expect everyone to change "overnight" (or a few hundred years even). Give it time. People will come around even if it takes a thousand years or so.
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If people on this board really love Jesus, they'll give him their hearts.

Literally. Until then? They're just posers. Now, that's some serious old-time religion that demands sacrifice from its followers.

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If ESP turns out to be real, then atheists would
be the last to discover that it's real, because
they have already set the rules out that if we
can't measure it or poke or prod it, then it's not
real, and does not exist.

You see it's a known fact that atheists think that
anything that appears to be supernatural is not
real and is not science, yet they could discover
something that appears to be like magic, but
it could be natural science, just that we can't
understand it.

A good example would be to take a tape recorder
back 2000 years ago and show them you can
play back anything they say. they would think
it's magical, that you are a god.

So I say atheists are closed minded, making
them idiots. at least christian scientists are
not so closed mined to that which would
appear to me magical, or mystical.

that's what I think about you Atheists.
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If ESP turns out to be real, then atheists would
be the last to discover that it's real, because
they have already set the rules out that if we
can't measure it or poke or prod it, then it's not
real, and does not exist.

You see it's a known fact that atheists think that
anything that appears to be supernatural is not
real and is not science, yet they could discover
something that appears to be like magic, but
it could be natural science, just that we can't
understand it.

A good example would be to take a tape recorder
back 2000 years ago and show them you can
play back anything they say. they would think
it's magical, that you are a god.

So I say atheists are closed minded, making
them idiots. at least christian scientists are
not so closed mined to that which would
appear to me magical, or mystical.

that's what I think about you Atheists.
I find it laughable that you Christians can believe in something without having a shred of proof.
That's what I think of you Christians.

I am not closed minded, I believe in ghosts/angels, and UFO's. I have never seen them, but other people have, and I have no reason to disbelieve them. You make assumptions and are way off track.
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I find it laughable that you Christians can believe in something without having a shred of proof.
That's what I think of you Christians.

I am not closed minded, I believe in ghosts/angels, and UFO's. I have never seen them, but other people have, and I have no reason to disbelieve them. You make assumptions and are way off track.
Every day all of us have to make baseless beliefs in order for us to function. The question is if you deny the possibility that you could be wrong.
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Actually I think athiests would believe in ESP if it existed. We'd be the ones trying to figure out what makes it work while the religionists ran around calling it "proof that our angels talk to us!"
ESP is really more of a cheesy new age belief than a religious one (I'm not sure I'd call new age a religion... It's more like a consumer niche for people who want to pretend to be religious).
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A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)
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It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
If you knew anything about Einstein, you would know he uses the words "religion" and "god" far differently than you.

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You know -- all his talk about religion, and I don't see too many people really getting to the heart of the matter. The issue isn't religion, necessarily, but dogmatism. People of many stripes can be every bit as dogmatic as the most fundamentalist religious person, as when they adopt a ready made ideology and then conform to the dictates of such an ideology, they are little different than those who do so through religion.

When a libertarian sings the gospel of Lew Rockwell, when a socialist repeats every de rigueur buzz phraze of the hard left, when a neocon supporter sees wrong in Bush, or when a member of the ISM rages about imagined Israeli attrocitioes with nary a word about Palestinian, they are all engaged in the very same process. They are ALL acting on faith by accepting an entire panoply of ideas without questioning, and are simpy replicating memes rather than analyzing rationally.

Groupthink is groupthink, and so instead of just focusing on one form of groupthink, why not approach all with the same attitude? Quite frankly, I have known many, many religious people who were far more independantly minded than countless people who aren't, so I would think religion by no means has a monopoly on dogmatism.
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I find it laughable that you Christians can believe in something without having a shred of proof.
That's what I think of you Christians.

I am not closed minded, I believe in ghosts/angels, and UFO's. I have never seen them, but other people have, and I have no reason to disbelieve them. You make assumptions and are way off track.
Jesus was a human being, he existed...so did Mohammed.

I don't know why the atheists insist on comparing them to "pink unicorns"

or that these Religions were just "made up" out of thin air.

It is one thing to have no Faith in Divinity, but it is quite another to deny Historical Reality.

and Jesus and Mohammed are Historical people...they existed.

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I find it laughable that you Christians can believe in something without having a shred of proof.
That's what I think of you Christians.

I am not closed minded, I believe in ghosts/angels, and UFO's. I have never seen them, but other people have, and I have no reason to disbelieve them. You make assumptions and are way off track.
I have 4,400 hours of stick time in the seat of various aircraft.

I have NEVER in 22 years of flying seen a UFO.

Extra-terrestrial "space ships" is pure B.S. that the tin foil crowd thinks the Air Force is conspiring to cover up.

Hidden "space ships" at Area 51 and all that other stuff is crappola.
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