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I don't know why the atheists insist on comparing them to "pink unicorns"
It's technically God who gets compared to "pink unicorns", not Jesus or Muhammed.
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It's technically God who gets compared to "pink unicorns", not Jesus or Muhammed.
Well whatever...I'm amazed some folks deny God, but truly believe "little green Martians"
are visiting the Planet and the Military has a massive Cover up....

or even that 9/11 was a conspiracy by Israel...

I'm amazed really.
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I think it's called faith, Herk. Haven't you lectured me on this topic before? Just because you can't see it or touch it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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GPS data is inconsistent with predictions from theory of relativity, it more closely resembles Lorentzian Relativity

The GPS system has been designed to use Lorentz synchronization.

I thought that was common knowledge?
If it was inconsistent with either theory, said theory would be dead. I have not heard this is the case, and I'm fairly sure the press would report such an astonishing result.

Again, please get a clue.
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If it was inconsistent with either theory, said theory would be dead. I have not heard this is the case, and I'm fairly sure the press would report such an astonishing result.

Again, please get a clue.
A theory is not dead just because it is very slightly different than reality. If that was the case, we would have no theories, and no way to do anything.
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We just don't know about the ones that are gone. Science is limited to what we can observe, but we can propose theories that use mathematics to link what we can see to that which we can't.
We can propose anything we want, but if the propositions can't be tested, even in principle, they are of no more relevance than any other ravings.
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We can propose anything we want, but if the propositions can't be tested, even in principle, they are of no more relevance than any other ravings.
The general progression of theories is this:
1.) There is an inconsistency with the currently used model.
2.) The inconsistencies are documented over a range of different situations.
3.) The nature of the inconsistency is studied.
4.) A new theory, which is usually just a modification of the original one, is proposed that includes
a. a more accurate explanation of where the inconsistency is observed.
b. and a mathematical prediction of things that would be true if the inconsistency is accounted for.
5.) the mathematical predictions of the theory are usually proved to be real.
6.) New inconsistencies are found, which are less significant than the ones the theory fixed.

This predictive power is based in the mathematics, and is one of the defining features of theories in general. For example, the Theory of Relativity predicted black holes, which no sane person at the time could possibly believe in, but they were proven to exist later on.
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Yes you can, and any and all of them could exist. Some are less probable than others, but they can exist.
But none are probable. There is no reason to suspect any of the infinite number of preposterous notions I or any raving loony could think up, is true. Same goes for any religion. There is no evidence.
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Things from your imagination might exist, yes. But who is claiming that God comes from the imagination besides you? You denounce people for believing in God without scientific proof, and yet you believe that God does not exist without scientific proof.
This is ridiculous. Since I cannot prove that a teapot doesn't orbit Jupiter, or pink unicorns abound inside the sun, or giant frogs cause earthquakes, therefore it is a reasonable idea that all these things are true?
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Again, they might exist. And if a billion people believed in those frogs, and saw proof of their existence, even if only subjectively, then the argument would be that much stronger. Reality is not limited by your knowledge, DD.
Yes, if you are willing to believe that anything my or anyone elses imagination conjures is as likely to exist as not to exist, than can I help you no further.
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The problem with the big bang is that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. IF the Big Bang was correct the expansion would not be accelerating, it would stay the same. That s the problem with the Big Bang, scientists can't explain why the universe is expanding at an increasing rate
That's wrong. The Big Bang has nothing to do with dark energy, which is the term for the unknown "stuff" which cause the Universe to not only expand but to accelerate its expansion. The Big Bang has been shown experimentaly to be correct and dark energy doesn't change that. What dark energy does change, is our ability to predict the far future of the expansion. We currently don't know what causes the acceleration, and it is exciting what Science will turn up in that regard. It could also be that once the nature of dark energy is understood, it could contribute to our understanding of what caused the Big Bang.
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or even that 9/11 was a conspiracy by Israel...

I'm amazed really.
Or even by the United States and their tyrannical dictator, His excellency, George "dubya" Bush II.
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