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Old 05-13-2008, 09:42 AM
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Doesn't matter if it is likely, it is possible.
I don't understand what you mean. It is theoretically possible that all the atoms of the atmosphere suddenly congregated over New York city, but it has never happened and by the laws of statistics it never will happen. Would you feel it was a sane belief to be a "solid-air-over-New-Yorkist"? Why not?

Same goes for theists, or "orbiting-tea-potists" or "pink unicornists".
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Such as the delusion that any sort of God or Gods do not exist?
But that is not improbable. That is the default position.

You presumably don't believe in orbiting tea-pots or flying spaghetti monsters or any other invention of a raving imagination do you? Why not, since they are possible?
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What sort of evidence are you looking for?
The same type of evidence as for life springing out of nothing?
The same type of evidence as for all life begining as the same organism?
The same type of evidence as for the universe forming from a huge explosion?
Yes, I'm looking for evidence. If there is evidence for something, then that is a good reason to accept it is true.

And while we don't yet know the exact makeup of the first molecule which could copy itself, we know the rest of what happened after that. Please go read any book written on Evolution by a credible scientist. You'll be amazed.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:44 AM
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A theory is not dead just because it is very slightly different than reality. If that was the case, we would have no theories, and no way to do anything.
A theory is dead if there is repeatable evidence that one or more of its predictions are wrong.
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What type of man would knock other people on a belief, about
something he himself can not prove otherwise?

When it comes to beliefs, we ALL have them, Atheists don't believe,
while Christians do believe.

But both are a belief. And both beliefs are an unproven belief.
so if you insist that your way is right and insist that everyone
fall in line, then you live in a Marxist mind set.

This goes for both Atheists as well as Christians and anyone
who claims to know the truth of these matters is a deluded liar.

So, I can speak for many religious people when I say, "I shell
believe in my GOD, until those who disbelieve show me solid
evidence that my GOD does not exist"

But to do this, Atheists will have to prove how the Universe was
created from nothingness into substance with space and time.
and the proof has to be repeated, without a creator.

What I suggested above is impossible because if they create
a Universe and can repeate it then they would be the creator.
so these types of threads made by Atheists are futile.

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Old 05-13-2008, 09:49 AM
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The general progression of theories is this:
1.) There is an inconsistency with the currently used model.
2.) The inconsistencies are documented over a range of different situations.
3.) The nature of the inconsistency is studied.
4.) A new theory, which is usually just a modification of the original one, is proposed that includes
a. a more accurate explanation of where the inconsistency is observed.
b. and a mathematical prediction of things that would be true if the inconsistency is accounted for.
5.) the mathematical predictions of the theory are usually proved to be real.
6.) New inconsistencies are found, which are less significant than the ones the theory fixed.

This predictive power is based in the mathematics, and is one of the defining features of theories in general. For example, the Theory of Relativity predicted black holes, which no sane person at the time could possibly believe in, but they were proven to exist later on.
Your above description regarding modification of theories certainly does happen sometimes. What might be your point?
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Your above description regarding modification of theories certainly does happen sometimes. What might be your point?
Math and science are connected, and predictions from one can have an effect on the other.
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The true reason I laugh about Atheists is because to me their
best beliefs to disprove the existence of a creator is the belief
that: "Anything is posible if given enough time"

This same belief is the same belief that a lazy person holds onto,
"I will be rich someday, I need do nothing but wait"

But I ask the atheists to think in your mind the real solid reasons
you have that make you stand solid on your belief in evolusion.
then, after you have this in your mind, I want you to try to apply
this phrase to it. "If a frog is in a cookie Jar, does that make him
a cookie?"

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Old 05-13-2008, 10:11 AM
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Math and science are connected, and predictions from one can have an effect on the other.
Very much so.
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:17 AM
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The true reason I laugh about Atheists is because to me their
best beliefs to disprove the existence of a creator is the belief
that: "Anything is posible if given enough time"
Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but there is no way to disprove any god. Just as there is no way disprove any other similar raving.
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This same belief is the same belief that a lazy person holds onto,
"I will be rich someday, I need do nothing but wait"
Not understood. Are you saying atheists sit around waiting for a proof that gods don't exist? If so, you seem to have things at best upside down. Atheists see no reason to think any god exists. If anything, we are waiting for any evidence that any god or gods does.
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But I ask the atheists to think in your mind the real solid reasons
you have that make you stand solid on your belief in evolusion.
then, after you have this in your mind, I want you to try to apply
this phrase to it. "If a frog is in a cookie Jar, does that make him
a cookie?"

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Please read any book actually explaining Evolution.
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