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Indeed, why the theatrics? Why believe in stuff for which there is no evidence? Why don't you believe in green vases currently orbiting some random star or planet?
Science is just as implausible to me as that. At least with regards to the origin of the universe and a few other things.
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The scientist analyzes Nature as he or she finds it, never considers the Source.

The engineer makes something, then analyzes it. The thing simply obeys the laws of nature, for better or for worse.

Engineers solve practical problems.

The Big Bang, theory or fact, solves no real World problems, it's just a thumb in the eye of the Religious because Source is Never considered.
The Big Bang, just like all scientific theories, explains things about our Universe. And scientific theories not only explain observations we have made, but predict future observations. If it can't be predictive, it is not a scientific theory.
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Science is just as implausible to me as that. At least with regards to the origin of the universe and a few other things.
In what sense is it implausable to you? You apparently must believe it a miracle whenever your microwave oven turns corn into popcorn. Or whenever you throw a switch and light appears in the room.
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In what sense is it implausable to you? You apparently must believe it a miracle whenever your microwave oven turns corn into popcorn. Or whenever you throw a switch and light appears in the room.
No, that technology is amazing.

Big Bang explanations though...
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In what sense is it implausable to you? You apparently must believe it a miracle whenever your microwave oven turns corn into popcorn. Or whenever you throw a switch and light appears in the room.
The Consistent patterns in our Observable Universe and our everyday lives here on Earth....

they allow for the technology to be developed....

We flip a switch, the electrons obey physical Laws....they follow a pattern...

An anamoly develops, this can be analyzed and the problem repaired.

Nothing super-natural about that at all.

Nothing super-natural about anything really in the day to day World. It follows the Laws of observable Nature.

This is acknowledged.

Who made the Rules?

Source?

It's like finding a Rolex watch in the street and assuming it just made itself.

So the Universe just is?

Life just is?

If we must accept this...
then as I say.

Throw Morality right out the window...

because afterall....




behavior just is.....

There is NO right...there is NO wrong.

It just is.

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No, that technology is amazing.

Big Bang explanations though...
Uh...it is the same thing.

The scientific method lead to the revolutions in knowledge on how our world works, which allowed microwave ovens, DVDs, nuclear power and nuclear missiles, rockets to the Moon, trans-atlantic flights, radio, television, etc, etc, to appear.

And yet, for some odd reason, you feel that when it comes to geology or astronomy, two other branches of science, they somehow aren't scrutinized as well in their theory and prediction making.
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The Consistent patterns in our Observable Universe and our everyday lives here on Earth....

they allow for the technology to be developed....

We flip a switch, the electrons obey physical Laws....they follow a pattern...

An anamoly develops, this can be analyzed and the problem repaired.

Nothing super-natural about that at all.

Nothing super-natural about anything really in the day to day World. It follows the Laws of observable Nature.

This is acknowledged.

Who made the Rules?

Source?

It's like finding a Rolex watch in the street and assuming it just made itself.

So the Universe just is?

Life just is?

If we must accept this...
then as I say.

Throw Morality right out the window...

because afterall....




behavior just is.....

There is NO right...there is NO wrong.

It just is.
No, a Rolex watch never just assembles itself. It is always made by humans. But what assembled the human? Well, two other humans did, at least indirectly. And who assembled these two humans? Well, in the final analysis, Evolution did.

As to our morality and ethics somehow disappearing if we didn't have religion, don't make me laugh.(Please ask me why!)

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No, a Rolex watch never just assembles itself. It is always made by humans. But what assembled the human? Well, two other humans did, at least indirectly. And who assembled these two humans? Well, in the final analysis, Evolution did.

As to our morality and ethics somehow disappearing if we didn't have religion, don't make me laugh.(Please ask me why!)
You can thank Religion for Morality and Ethics my friend.

That's the Source of that...

Judaism and Christianity are not the Source of all Morality, but MOST definitely, Religion is responsible for it.
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No, a Rolex watch never just assembles itself. It is always made by humans. But what assembled the human? Well, two other humans did, at least indirectly. And who assembled these two humans? Well, in the final analysis, Evolution did.

As to our morality and ethics somehow disappearing if we didn't have religion, don't make me laugh.(Please ask me why!)
You dismiss so much with two theories.
Evolution and the Big Bang.
Stuff Exploded.

Stuff Evolved.

Essentially that is your statement.

It's rather hollow.

To seek Spirituality is if nothing else...to acknowledge the deeper questions concerning

S-O-U-R-C-E.

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No, a Rolex watch never just assembles itself. It is always made by humans. But what assembled the human? Well, two other humans did, at least indirectly. And who assembled these two humans? Well, in the final analysis, Evolution did.

As to our morality and ethics somehow disappearing if we didn't have religion, don't make me laugh.(Please ask me why!)
I concur, even though Mrs B L Z and I have matching Cartier Santos watches, Rolex's are rather gauche
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