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You can thank Religion for Morality and Ethics my friend.

That's the Source of that...

Judaism and Christianity are not the Source of all Morality, but MOST definitely, Religion is responsible for it.
No, religion is not the source of morality. A simple concept within morality such as the Golden Rule exists in all societies across the world. No matter whether the society believes in one god, many gods, spirits or no gods at all.

My morals and ethics certainly don't stem from religion and would be the same if religion disappeared tomorrow.

The very idea is humorous. If I was a christian, should I get my morals from "an eye for an eye" or from "turn the other cheek"?
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No, religion is not the source of morality. A simple concept within morality such as the Golden Rule exists in all societies across the world. No matter whether the society believes in one god, many gods, spirits or no gods at all.

My morals and ethics certainly don't stem from religion and would be the same if religion disappeared tomorrow.

The very idea is humorous. If I was a christian, should I get my morals from "an eye for an eye" or from "turn the other cheek"?
I'm not a History Major...but as I recall

Every SINGLE successful civilization in Human History pretty much had an Organized Religion of some sort.

Start w/ the Egyptians for example....the Mayans, the Aztecs.....

Greeks, Romans, Celts, Vikings, Normans, Ancient China....right on down throughout history.

Not many Atheistic civilizations ever amounted to much.

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You dismiss so much with two theories.
Evolution and the Big Bang.
Stuff Exploded.

Stuff Evolved.

Essentially that is your statement.

It's rather hollow.

To seek Spirituality is if nothing else...to acknowledge the deeper questions concerning

S-O-U-R-C-E.
Uh...Evolution is as much fact as the laws of electromagnetics which runs your microwave oven. If you accept that your microwave oven works, then you must accept that evolution works.

The Big Bang is true as much as the laser DVD in your livingroom. It is true, though, that the laws of gravity are not as well described, even counting Einstein, than we would like. For example, we don't have a theory which explains what happens when gravity is very, very powerful and concentrated in a very, very small space. Hence our problems regarding black holes and the singularity of the Big Bang.

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I'm not a History Major...but as I recall

Every SINGLE successful civilization in Human History pretty much had an Organized Religion of some sort.

Start w/ the Egyptians for example....the Mayans, the Aztecs.....

Greeks, Romans, Celts, Vikings, Normans, Ancient China....right on down throughout history.

Not many Atheistic civilizations ever amounted to much.
And most civilizations down through the ages thought the Earth was flat. Your point?

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If I was a christian, should I get my morals from "an eye for an eye" or from "turn the other cheek"?
That would depend on if you were a Jew or a Christian.

The problem with science and religion is that science cannot disprove God. It never will. Science cannot prove that there is no grand architect for life, evolution, chemistry, or anything else.
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And most civilizations down through the ages thought the Earth was flat. Your point?
I'll let someone else argue in defense of Religion.

You know where I stand and I know where you stand.

I have no further points.
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That would depend on if you were a Jew or a Christian.

The problem with science and religion is that science cannot disprove God. It never will. Science cannot prove that there is no grand architect for life, evolution, chemistry, or anything else.
Of course it can't. Just as it cannot disprove any other ridiculous idea you wish to assert. Let me get you started. It cannot disprove that an invisible dragon lives in my garage. It cannot disprove that a chinese teapot from the Ming dynasty lurks at the heart of the Sun (not yet, at least). It cannot disprove that we are all part of the Matrix. It cannot disprove that pink Unicorns sometimes appear on the Moon. It cannot disprove.....

It can, however, find out how our Universe works, to higher and higher degrees of precision.

And nowhere, is there any indication that a supernatural being exists or has existed.
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Of course it can't. Just as it cannot disprove any other ridiculous idea you wish to assert. Let me get you started. It cannot disprove that an invisible dragon lives in my garage. It cannot disprove that a chinese teapot from the Ming dynasty lurks at the heart of the Sun (not yet, at least). It cannot disprove that we are all part of the Matrix. It cannot disprove that pink Unicorns sometimes appear on the Moon. It cannot disprove.....

It can, however, find out how our Universe works, to higher and higher degrees of precision.

And nowhere, is there any indication that a supernatural being exists or has existed.
There is also no indication that a supernatural being does not nor ever has existed. When scientists can disprove the existance of God thru scientific therory, you'll have a valid argument. Until then, you're just blowing smoke.
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I'll let someone else argue in defense of Religion.

You know where I stand and I know where you stand.

I have no further points.
I'm disappointed. But if you wish to leave, so be it.
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