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Old 05-09-2008, 03:06 PM
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Of course it can't. Just as it cannot disprove any other ridiculous idea you wish to assert. Let me get you started. It cannot disprove that an invisible dragon lives in my garage. It cannot disprove that a chinese teapot from the Ming dynasty lurks at the heart of the Sun (not yet, at least). It cannot disprove that we are all part of the Matrix. It cannot disprove that pink Unicorns sometimes appear on the Moon. It cannot disprove.....

It can, however, find out how our Universe works, to higher and higher degrees of precision.

And nowhere, is there any indication that a supernatural being exists or has existed.
You are ignoring his question..

You are ignoring Source.

Science cannot explain Source.

I am intellectually honest enought to admit that God is a Spritual construct outside of the realms of Observation...that there are contradictions in the Old and New Testaments...that my Faith requires

Faith.

You are not being intellectually honest, you are avoiding the question.

You cannot give a Source.

You've proved how a watch works....

You have ignored where it came from...you don't even question it.

and the Religious are idiots?

Sure thing.

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Old 05-09-2008, 03:09 PM
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There is also no indication that a supernatural being does not nor ever has existed. When scientists can disprove the existance of God thru scientific therory, you'll have a valid argument. Until then, you're just blowing smoke.
Exactly. There is no reason to suspect any such supernatural being exists or ever has existed. So why presume it did/does?
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Exactly. There is no reason to suspect any such supernatural being exists or ever has existed. So why presume it did/does?
There is no reason to suspect that this being does not exist. So why presume it does not?
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You are ignoring his question..

You are ignoring Source.

Science cannot explain Source.

I am intellectually honest enought to admit that God is a Spritual construct outside of the realms of Observation...that there are contradictions in the Old and New Testaments...that my Faith requires

Faith.

You are not being intellectually honest, you are avoiding the question.

You cannot give a Source.

You've proved how a watch works....

You have ignored where it came from...you don't even question it.

and the Religious are idiots?

Sure thing.
I thought you were leaving? Apparently not, which is good.

As to your question, what do you mean exactly?

The Source of humans is perfectly clear. Well, at least the development of life on our planet, starting almost 4 billion years ago to where it is today, is fairly clear.

It is not yet known what the original self-replicating molecule looked like, though.
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There is no reason to suspect that this being does not exist. So why presume it does not?
Because there is no reason to suspect it did. It is a question of probabilities. I can make up an infinite number of things that you or the world of rationality or science cannot show doesn't exist. An infinite number.

Does that make it equaly likely that anything I conjur up from my imagination is as likely to exist as to not exist?

Suppose I said that giant purple toads sometimes appear in my livingroom. They are at least 500 stories tall and speak to me in Swahili. They transcend time and space and therefore pass through the structures of my living room.

Would you believe me? Would it seem a reasonable assertion that there was at least a 50% probability that they existed?
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:35 PM
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Here is your view of Our World...Our Lives.

Stuff Exploded

Stuff Evolved.

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Where'd the Stuff come from?

Was it always here?

if so....

According to many Laws of Physics...
this is Impossible.

Chiefly the 1st Law of Thermodynamics~
Matter cannot be created or destroyed..

According to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics...systems tend towards Entropy and
the Energy within an infinite system woul eventually burn itself out as our Universe is now doing.
It would've burned out long ago if it always existed.

Therefore it was indeed Created....a contradictory statement to the Laws of Physics as we
know them and define them.

Therefore the only "Scientific" conclusion is that Science hits a
BRICK WALL of explanations..

It can't explain the Source of "the Stuff"
No, that is not my view. That is at best your view.

I don't know what caused the Big Bang, no one does, but I know what happened 10^-42 seconds after it occured. And the reason I know this is that I have theory which says what happens and tons of experimental evidence which is in accordance with the predictions that this theory makes.

What you have is that some super intellegent creature with super powers decided to create our Universe some 6000 years ago and continues to hang around our rock (though mostly invisibly) and caring a whole lot about how we conduct our lives and especially our sex lives.

Please.
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Because there is no reason to suspect it did. It is a question of probabilities. I can make up an infinite number of things that you or the world of rationality or science cannot show doesn't exist. An infinite number.
Yes you can, and any and all of them could exist. Some are less probable than others, but they can exist.

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Does that make it equaly likely that anything I conjur up from my imagination is as likely to exist as to not exist?
Things from your imagination might exist, yes. But who is claiming that God comes from the imagination besides you? You denounce people for believing in God without scientific proof, and yet you believe that God does not exist without scientific proof.

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Suppose I said that giant purple toads sometimes appear in my livingroom. They are at least 500 stories tall and speak to me in Swahili. They transcend time and space and therefore pass through the structures of my living room.

Would you believe me? Would it seem a reasonable assertion that there was at least a 50% probability that they existed?
Again, they might exist. And if a billion people believed in those frogs, and saw proof of their existence, even if only subjectively, then the argument would be that much stronger. Reality is not limited by your knowledge, DD.
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There is also no indication that a supernatural being does not nor ever has existed.
Yes there is. Where is your supernatural being before 6000 years ago. Science has proven that not only people were around long before that date but the age of the earth itself.
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The same could be said about tooth fairies and unicorns. Science will say there is no evidence of any of these ever existing.
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Yet you cannot provide a shred of evidence that there is a God.

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Yes there is. Where is your supernatural being before 6000 years ago. Science has proven that not only people were around long before that date but the age of the earth itself.
So limit God to only the Judeo/Christian god of the bible? That's awfully limiting, isn't it?

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The same could be said about tooth fairies and unicorns. Science will say there is no evidence of any of these ever existing.
Yet you cannot provide a shred of evidence that there is a God.

Read my signature.
And again, you can not provide any that it does not exist. To definitively claim that God does not exist in any way, shape, or form is both unfounded and unsupported.
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Uh...it is the same thing.

The scientific method lead to the revolutions in knowledge on how our world works, which allowed microwave ovens, DVDs, nuclear power and nuclear missiles, rockets to the Moon, trans-atlantic flights, radio, television, etc, etc, to appear.

And yet, for some odd reason, you feel that when it comes to geology or astronomy, two other branches of science, they somehow aren't scrutinized as well in their theory and prediction making.
Because the big bang is nonsense to me...
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