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This is the logical fallacy called "The argument from personal incredulity".
The problem with the big bang is that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. IF the Big Bang was correct the expansion would not be accelerating, it would stay the same. That s the problem with the Big Bang, scientists can't explain why the universe is expanding at an increasing rate
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The problem with the big bang is that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. IF the Big Bang was correct the expansion would not be accelerating, it would stay the same. That s the problem with the Big Bang, scientists can't explain why the universe is expanding at an increasing rate
Even if they can't explain every aspect, so far it's the only theory that makes any sense. We'll just have to wait for a scientist to discover a new law that explains the universe's expansion.
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The problem with the big bang is that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. IF the Big Bang was correct the expansion would not be accelerating, it would stay the same. That s the problem with the Big Bang, scientists can't explain why the universe is expanding at an increasing rate
sure they can.

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Dark matter is still a bit on the theoretical side of science. It's not a question of whether or not it exists, but whether or not the amount of it exists that would be necessary to keep the universe expanding at an increasing rate.
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“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” - Stephen Roberts.

Tuatara, this quote that you place everywhere is just inaccurate. Because even if people believe in one God, it still means that people believe in something greater than themselves. An atheist does not believe that there is a greater power. In a way, it seems arrogant
These people who still believe in a higher power (their god/gods) also don't believe in another higher power(other god/gods) . Would that make everyone arrogant? Something greater than yourself also doesn't equate to god or religion.
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Dark matter is still a bit on the theoretical side of science. It's not a question of whether or not it exists, but whether or not the amount of it exists that would be necessary to keep the universe expanding at an increasing rate.
I don't think it's even confirmed to exist. It sounds to me they don't really know what's causing it, they're justing using the name dark energy so they have something to refer to the phenomenon by.
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I don't think it's even confirmed to exist. It sounds to me they don't really know what's causing it, they're justing using the name dark energy so they have something to refer to the phenomenon by.
Muons are a form of dark matter. They stream through the atmosphere at billions per second or something like that. Anyway, they can detect them in mines with these really cool instruments. You should look them up.
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This energy source fills the role of a god, and how do you know that these answers are not the correct ones?
The same could be said about Gremlins and leprechauns. I could make any claim to the supernatural as being a creator or higher life force. Philosophically speaking we can claim anything is possible, but probability is where the true definitions lie.
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Did your friend's energy source have contact with humans?
It would be their interpretation whether they believed they had contact or not. Are we to take the word of everyone who claims to have spoken to god or been abducted by Aliens?
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You maintain an extremly limited view of what a god must be. As far interaction, perhaps God has tried to interact with you and have failed to listen.
There are many religious people who claim they have never interacted with god. There are many who spent their whole life trying to interact. Are you saying god only picks and choses. Also if my view is limited then since no one believes in every single god or supernatural being wouldn't everyone's view be limited according to your assertion?
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Yes, some do. And some believe that the various gods are all just different perceptions of the same god.
In other words they believe in their god and the other gods are just different perceptions of their god.
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Your signature has no merit in this discussion. I'm not dismissing anything. I hold that just about anything is possible, even if it isn't probable.
So if anything is possible do you worship all religions and all gods and all other supernatural phenomenons? Or have you personally just chosen one?
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You tell me, I'm not trying to define reality. I'm only insisting that the possibility that God exists is there, and that to say otherwise is incorrect.
You are also forgetting the possibility that God does not exist. Which brings us all to a belief. Our own personal belief. Some wish to share their's, others keep their's private.
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As science advances, the randomness of everything comes into question. Life springing out of nowhere, the existence of the human mind, the orgin of the universe all give credit to some of force acting as an engineer to it all.
Yes and the more answers we find, the more questions we will have. Some feel all those questions need to be answered, immediately. With religion those questions are already answered. With science many of those questions will never be answered.
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Exactly! We only know a fraction of what is real, and even then our knowledge is constantly changing. To hold to absolutes when we have no proof or evidence is asinine. There may not be any god of life force directing the course of the cosmos, but there is the possibility the it does exist.
So you feel we should all sit on the fence with this one and have no beliefs or non-beliefs?
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Yes, a bowl of petunias could be secretly controlling the US government and giant purple frogs from outer space could be appearing in my living room, but it isn't very likely, is it?
Doesn't matter if it is likely, it is possible.

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I do so because the delusion of any sort of God or Gods existing is exactly as unfounded as any other delusion.
Such as the delusion that any sort of God or Gods do not exist?

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Reality is certainly not limited by my knowledge. And it doesn't matter how many believe in giant frogs or a flat Earth or any other nonsense. What matters is whether there is any evidence that such a belief is true.
What sort of evidence are you looking for?
The same type of evidence as for life springing out of nothing?
The same type of evidence as for all life begining as the same organism?
The same type of evidence as for the universe forming from a huge explosion?
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It's also possible that all you unbelievers could spontaneously combust
Unfortunately, it's just not likely.

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