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Old 05-19-2008, 04:27 PM
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I had no choice, but I'm not bitter. I don't think it's quite the issue everybody makes it, as compared to say female circumcision which is a brutality, but I do hold that a person should have choice in all things pertaining to their body.
It's the choice issue only for me.
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I had no choice, but I'm not bitter. I don't think it's quite the issue everybody makes it, as compared to say female circumcision which is a brutality, but I do hold that a person should have choice in all things pertaining to their body.
It's the choice issue only for me.
I understand that you had no choice.

The questions however are moral and ethical and indeed ones that relate to creation (if you belive that GOD made humans in his own image etc)

Did GOD make a mistake in the design?

DID GOD MAKE THE FORESKIN TOO LONG?

DO the people who practise this surgical snippping KNOW BETTER THAN GOD?

OR if you are an atheist - DO THESE PEOPLE KNOW ORE THAN NATURE?

simple questions really - arent they/
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Couldnt you make the same argument asking why people cut their hair or shave?

For that matter, why do they wear clothes? Are they ashamed of the body God gave them?
good one

hair is keratin based folicles and therefore have no sensation or nerve cells - they also grow back. Hair can be related to finger nails.

good try however! Keep up the good work

SKIN however is a human ORGAN

the question remains - DID GOD MAKE THE FORESKIN TOO LONG?

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Circumcision is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up. Your religion, race, or culture is not an excuse for mutilation, violence, hatred, abuse or cruelty against children. And if you do america will find you.. and kill you. Period.

WHO introduced circumcision into the USA?

Why is there resistance by the medical associations to make this procedure legal in children on MEDICAL grounds.?

remember ALL doctors swear the Greek Hypocratic oath - "you shall do no harm"

snipping penal skin on children does harm - and has no bass in good medical practise or medical prevention

Common Chief - Who introduced circumcision into the USA and made the procedure acceptable in medicine? The USA was not founded on this practise was it - so who introduced it?
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OH! I know! It was another evil Jooish conspiracy to rob men of their rightful foreskins.
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WHO introduced circumcision into the USA?

Why is there resistance by the medical associations to make this procedure legal in children on MEDICAL grounds.?
Fool, you are wrong on so many levels. Circumcision is a religious issue. God mandated to Abraham that all males were to be circumsized as a sign of his covenant with the people. This was negated in the Council of Jerusalem Where to be a Christian, you did not have to be circumsized to be a Christian. It was introduced as a religious symbol.

Furthermore, you misinterpret the Hippocratic oath. The interpretation is that you can do harm if the potential good outweighs it. In this case, the harm is removing a part of the body. While the potential good is preventing infection, HIV transfer, and creating more sanitary genitals. Therefore this is ethical.

Finally, stop coming up with this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) to attack America with.
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OH! I know! It was another evil Jooish conspiracy to rob men of their rightful foreskins.
do the Jewish people circumcise their children on religious grounds too?

I didnt know that Catz - please quote source or reference please.

what does "jooish" mean?


Just what are you talking about?
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Fool, you are wrong on so many levels. Circumcision is a religious issue. God mandated to Abraham that all males were to be circumsized as a sign of his covenant with the people. This was negated in the Council of Jerusalem Where to be a Christian, you did not have to be circumsized to be a Christian. It was introduced as a religious symbol.

Furthermore, you misinterpret the Hippocratic oath. The interpretation is that you can do harm if the potential good outweighs it. In this case, the harm is removing a part of the body. While the potential good is preventing infection, HIV transfer, and creating more sanitary genitals. Therefore this is ethical.

Finally, stop coming up with this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) to attack America with.
you expouse myths about the medical reasons for circumcision

Can you quote me a medical journal article that advocates your Medical thesis?

So GOD had to rectify an intitial design fault in his creation? IS that what youare saying?

And when you say Abraham - YOU MEAN THE OLD TESTAMENT RIGHT?

Well we can all discount what is written in the OT as irrelevant to any GOD that may or may not exist

The OT is a immoral and barbaric text - have you read it carefully? Its immoral, unethical, brutal and has nothing to do with any GOD.

And AIDS is transfered via the contact of certain bodily fluids - such as blood.

How is having your foreskin chopped off going to protect you from AIDS?

How old is the AIDS epidemic?

Your arguments are not supported by mecidine and doctors.

Its a barbaric practise and those carrying it out on children should be charged with physical assalt of a minior and the doctors or religious leaders who sanction it shoudl be held legally liable.
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If GOD created humans in his image, WHY are there people surgically altering the shape and length of the male foreskin?


Who would like to hear how ridiculous that question above is?

Well I will tell you anyways. GOD created Man in his own image
Image is the true word here, and it does not mean any-form of detail
but an outline, or similarity. with no mention about weather GOD even
had a D!ck or not. face it, I don't think GOD was saying he made man in
an image of a D!ck, yet I do feel the made Foolosophy in that Image.

Oh, and I would also like Foolosophy to join my new evolution theory
which is even better the Darwin's, which is, ALL Atheists evolved from
D!ckheads. I am sure it will sweep through Europe like crazy.



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you espouse myths about the medical reasons for circumcision

Can you quote me a medical journal article that advocates your Medical thesis?

So GOD had to rectify an initial design fault in his creation? IS that what youare saying?

And when you say Abraham - YOU MEAN THE OLD TESTAMENT RIGHT?

Well we can all discount what is written in the OT as irrelevant to any GOD that may or may not exist

The OT is a immoral and barbaric text - have you read it carefully? Its immoral, unethical, brutal and has nothing to do with any GOD.


Your arguments are not supported by medicine and doctors.
MOD EDIT: Personal attacks deleted.
Here is the Mayo Clinics take on circumcision http://www.mayoclinic.com/print/circ...0/METHOD=print

It is completely up to the parents it has its pros and it has its cons. And it can be chosen by the parent. It is not necessary, but it can be helpful.

Furthermore, you have no clue what you are talking about. When the Bible says that man is created in his likeness, it does not mean a physical likeness. God transcends any physical form. It means that God created us withthe ability to think, to love, and to make decisions.

Also, explain how the Old Testament is violent.
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