Mohammed was a child molester - Page 51

wind · #**501** (**permalink**) 09-20-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tresha

I don't know that he/she supports it or not, but they are certainly claiming that simply once a female becomes able to reproduce, it's not abnormal for men to want to have sex with said females.

Having had quite a bit of exposure to people who believe like this, that's a bit disturbing to me and yeah, I'm gonna weigh in on it.

I'm weighing in on it too. catz insinuates that agnapostate supports pedophilia. I don't get that from his statements.

He is saying that culture and politics influence societal norms about sexuality.

There are children at age 12 who have women's bodies. There are children who engage in sexual activity at this age.

What I'm not going to do is jump on the bandwagon before I understand Agnapostates positon more clearly. Isn't he commenting on the OP?

Isn't this entire thread about making a case that Islam is a flawed religion because Mohammed was a child molestor?

tresha · #**502** (**permalink**) 09-20-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by catzmeow

It helps me understand how you think. Beyond that, no. I don't believe that your opinions are considerably more profound or impressive than that of the psychiatric establishment. You're an anonymous dude on an internet forum who, apparently, finds 12-year-old girls to be mature enough to serve as sexual partners.

Interesting.

(bold added by me)

I believe that is how the thread started yes.
I suppose in order to make judgments on whether Islam is a failed religion because Mohammed might have been a child molester, it's important to distinguish what type behavior defines child molestation.

I am aware that many 12 year old girls are sexually active, I am even aware that many 12 year old girls are sexually active out of choice.

I am also aware that there is an entire sub-culture out there that believes simply because a girl has achieved reproductive ability, then it is perfectly acceptable to consider her a viable sexual partner, even for grown men.

Finally, I don't interpret catz' post to be insinuating that this poster supports pedophilia, I interpret it as summing up his position.

He did state that "men who are attracted to reproductive females are called heterosexuals, not pedophiles."
That is a direct verbatim quote.
That certainly sound to me as if he is saying 12 year old girls (as long as they have their period) are mature enough to be sexual with male adults.

Bigmo · #**503** (**permalink**) 09-20-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wind

I'm weighing in on it too. catz insinuates that agnapostate supports pedophilia. I don't get that from his statements.

He is saying that culture and politics influence societal norms about sexuality.

There are children at age 12 who have women's bodies. There are children who engage in sexual activity at this age.

What I'm not going to do is jump on the bandwagon before I understand Agnapostates positon more clearly. Isn't he commenting on the OP?

Isn't this entire thread about making a case that Islam is a flawed religion because Mohammed was a child molestor?

No, its attacking the message by attacking the messenger. They can't find fault in the message so they find it expedient to attack the messenger. Remember many of the narrators of these hadiths were former pagans, Jews and Zoroastrians who converted to the new religion and brought their stuff with them.

tresha · #**504** (**permalink**) 09-20-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigmo

No, its attacking the message by attacking the messenger. They can't find fault in the message so they find it expedient to attack the messenger. Remember many of the narrators of these hadiths were former pagans, Jews and Zoroastrians who converted to the new religion and brought their stuff with them.

Nope.
I actually wasn't talking about the OP, which possibly makes me guilty of thread hijacking. I was responding the one poster who claimed and kept claiming that simply because a female child had reached menses, it meant that an adult being sexually attracted to her was considered heterosexual and not pedophilia.
Even if that girl was in fact, 12.
Actually, I just thought of this. I had a friend in high school who started her period at the age of 7.
Therefore, according to the criteria explained by this poster, it would be acceptable for her to have been a sexual partner to a man.

wind · #**505** (**permalink**) 09-21-2008, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tresha

Nope.
I actually wasn't talking about the OP, which possibly makes me guilty of thread hijacking. I was responding the one poster who claimed and kept claiming that simply because a female child had reached menses, it meant that an adult being sexually attracted to her was considered heterosexual and not pedophilia.
Even if that girl was in fact, 12.
Actually, I just thought of this. I had a friend in high school who started her period at the age of 7.
Therefore, according to the criteria explained by this poster, it would be acceptable for her to have been a sexual partner to a man.

A adult male may be attracted to a sexually mature young woman's body and be called heterosexual. If the young woman is tecinically still a child--and he prefers to have sex with children-- then he would be called a pedophile.

If a male finds the body of the young woman attractiveand doesn't act on it--if he just a heterosexual male reacting to a sexually mature body of a young woman--(age of menarche) and not a child molestor or pedophile.

That's my understanding of Agnapostates post. I may not have represented his position correctly.

I don't get that he is 'supporting' thr practice of pedophilia or child molesting.

Cultural norms and laws change over time. The OP looks at Mohammed's behavior a thousand years ago and uses present day American values to call him a child molestor or pedophile.

I may be wrong.

I find the poster Agnapostate's name curious--it means posture of fire. That certainly fits with taking alot of heat for an extreme theoretical political position.

wind · #**506** (**permalink**) 09-21-2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigmo

No, its attacking the message by attacking the messenger. They can't find fault in the message so they find it expedient to attack the messenger. Remember many of the narrators of these hadiths were former pagans, Jews and Zoroastrians who converted to the new religion and brought their stuff with them.

The historical record says Mohammed consumated his marriage to Aisha at the time of her menarche.--Age 9-14. Mohammed was 52 years old. That certainly fits our modern time definition of child molestation if the circumstances are applied to present time and culture.

What boggles my mind--is that we are applying modern day culture and sensibilities to a region of the world--whose cutlure we don't undersand in the present--let alone a thousand years ago.

The problem I have with this argument is that it makes the case that Mohammed's behavior a thousand years ago makes Islam an inherently flawed religion today.

Mary--the mother of Jesus, was 13 when Jesus was born. Was God a pedophile? Was Joseph, her husband a pedophile?

Illyrian Princess · #**507** (**permalink**) 09-21-2008, 06:59 AM

Mohammad was a child molester, and so were priests. As a matter of fact, welcome to the world of child molesters- religious or not. Is it just me or does religion always bring controversy amongst differences? Past is past. Who cares, let it go.

AmericanPatriot · #**508** (**permalink**) 09-21-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by catzmeow

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Hadith/Topics/Marriage.htm

This may be embarrassing to modern muslims, but it is in fact a well-established fact of their history. Their prophet was a child molester. I have a 10-year-old son and a 14-year-old daughter. If a 55-year-old self-proclaimed prophet wanted to cohabit with my daughter, I'd take a baseball bat to his head.

Yesterday, President Bush condemned the lack of rights for women behind the Islamic curtain. You cannot address the lack of rights for women politically without addressing the role of Islam in child marriage, female castration, and other abuses of women.

Try addressing polygamy, politically, as a subject without addressing the fact that underage girls are given to these old men sexually before age 14. You can't.

These abuses of women should be publicized, not hidden. And, I'm saying this not as a religious hater, but as a woman who lived for 10 years in Utah and saw at firsthand the abuses of polygamy against adolescent girls and the longterm ramifications on these young women.

Mohammed had sex with a 9-year-old girl. This is the basis of a tradition of female molestation that dates back a thousand years. Women in these scenarios are uneducated and without rights. They cannot rescue themselves. They lack economic skills. This is happening around the world, and in the U.S.

It's time to start telling the truth about it, even if it offends people.

Coming from a Christian background, what disturbs me is incest and the Bible.
This is a struggle I have with the Bible, along with many other things in it.

Illyrian Princess · #**509** (**permalink**) 09-21-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wind

The historical record says Mohammed consumated his marriage to Aisha at the time of her menarche.--Age 9-14. Mohammed was 52 years old. That certainly fits our modern time definition of child molestation if the circumstances are applied to present time and culture.

What boggles my mind--is that we are applying modern day culture and sensibilities to a region of the world--whose cutlure we don't undersand in the present--let alone a thousand years ago.

The problem I have with this argument is that it makes the case that Mohammed's behavior a thousand years ago makes Islam an inherently flawed religion today.

Mary--the mother of Jesus, was 13 when Jesus was born. Was God a pedophile? Was Joseph, her husband a pedophile?

Good Point. In addition with my opinion, what modern age is today does not apply same with what was then. Mohammed was said to have lived longer than average. A 13 year old girl back then could be applied as a 30 year old woman in modern society today. What do you think of that?

wind · #**510** (**permalink**) 09-21-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanPatriot

Coming from a Christian background, what disturbs me is incest and the Bible.
This is a struggle I have with the Bible, along with many other things in it.

According to the bible, Adam and Eve started the human race through incest. Interesting to me that Christians and former Christians want to pick on Muslims instead of cleaning up their own acts.

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