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Old 05-27-2008, 01:44 PM
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Being half Jewish, I was offended today by someone who called Jews Christ killers. I do not wear my Jewish half on my sleeve, and I don't practice Judaism, so this Bubba thought he was preaching to the choir. So to burn off a little steam, I am posting here about the people who DID kill Christ. It was the ROMANS.

So how did the myth that the Jews killed Christ get started. Lets go back to the crucifiction. Pontius Pilate wanted Christ dead because, in essence, anybody who declared himself to be of God was defiling the system of Roman gods, and Rome could not have that, could they? There were also a few Jews who wanted Christ done in (the Pharisees, known as the Pat Robertsons of yesterday), as well as many non-Jews. In fact a few of every race, creed, and denomination wanted Christ dead. His message was simply not that popular among those who did not follow him.

But the crux of the whole situation was when Christ was put on trial. Pilate told the crowd that they could spare either Christ or Barrabas. Barrabas just happened to be a hero. He had killed a Roman soldier and was to be executed. He was loved by the people, who also despised Rome. It was at that time, that the cries to spare Jesus' life was drowned out by those who wanted Barrabas freed. Then Pilate hypocritically washed his hands of the matter, and turned Christ over for execution, which was his plan to begin with. While saying "I find no fault in this man", Pilate worked towards his real end, which was to ensure that Christ would be put to death. There could be no other gods but Roman gods.

And, of course, since that time, there have always been people.... The Torqumadas of the world, as well as the Napoleons, the Lenninists, the Nazis, the Klansmen, and others, who would twist the truth just enough to make it look like it was the Jews who killed Christ.

The true story is of the Romans, who killed Christ. The myth is of those whose hearts were, and are still filled with hatred towards their fellow men.

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Even if the Jewish power structure of 2000 years ago *was* responsible, what the heck does that have to do with someone living today?

Next time someone pulls that line, say "Oh. Well, you won't mind being held personally responsible for slavery, then, will you?" or something along those lines.
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Nice comeback, but does not change the fact that it was the Romans who killed Christ. However, I am going to put your suggestion safely away in my mind to use later. Thanx.

NOTE: At my age, my mind is probably not the best place to put your suggestion. I will write it down. Hmmm, that won't work either. I will probably forget where I put it. I could tie a string around my finger to remind me. That won't work either. I would see the string and just wonder why I tied it around my finger. Any other suggestions?

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The person you were talking to has no understanding of Christianity.
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I thought it was a good thing that Christ was killed. Isn't that the reason your sins are forgiven? Man, religion is confusing...
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Being half Jewish, I was offended today by someone who called Jews Christ killers. I do not wear my Jewish half on my sleeve, and I don't practice Judaism, so this Bubba thought he was preaching to the choir. So to burn off a little steam, I am posting here about the people who DID kill Christ. It was the ROMANS.

So how did the myth that the Jews killed Christ get started. Lets go back to the crucifiction. Pontius Pilate wanted Christ dead because, in essence, anybody who declared himself to be of God was defiling the system of Roman gods, and Rome could not have that, could they? There were also a few Jews who wanted Christ done in (the Pharisees, known as the Pat Robertsons of yesterday), as well as many non-Jews. In fact a few of every race, creed, and denomination wanted Christ dead. His message was simply not that popular among those who did not follow him.

But the crux of the whole situation was when Christ was put on trial. Pilate told the crowd that they could spare either Christ or Barrabas. Barrabas just happened to be a hero. He had killed a Roman soldier and was to be executed. He was loved by the people, who also despised Rome. It was at that time, that the cries to spare Jesus' life was drowned out by those who wanted Barrabas freed. Then Pilate hypocritically washed his hands of the matter, and turned Christ over for execution, which was his plan to begin with. While saying "I find no fault in this man", Pilate worked towards his real end, which was to ensure that Christ would be put to death. There could be no other gods but Roman gods.

And, of course, since that time, there have always been people.... The Torqumadas of the world, as well as the Napoleons, the Lenninists, the Nazis, the Klansmen, and others, who would twist the truth just enough to make it look like it was the Jews who killed Christ.

The true story is of the Romans, who killed Christ. The myth is of those whose hearts were, and are still filled with hatred towards their fellow men.

You are aware Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew? and that the Jewish hierarchy saw him as a heretical nut.

Historically, the Jews did indeed persecute Christ.
The Romans just wanted peace in Jerusalem, Christ was nothing to them at the time He was living.

This does not condone anti-semitism at all. Christ brought the new covenant w/ God and the Jews believe Christ has not yet arrived.

It's a difference in beliefs. It is not an empowerment for violence or hatred. Jesus of Nazareth condemns all forms of violence and hatred of one's fellow man (human).

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Star of David tattoo in highly visible location?
More wearing of the yarmulke?
Shout mazel tov at festive events?
Start saying oy, vey when people tell you this sort of thing?
Sing the Hannukah song during the holidays, loudly?

I'm sorry people are idiots, Danarhea.
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Being half Jewish, I was offended today by someone who called Jews Christ killers. I do not wear my Jewish half on my sleeve, and I don't practice Judaism, so this Bubba thought he was preaching to the choir. So to burn off a little steam, I am posting here about the people who DID kill Christ. It was the ROMANS.

So how did the myth that the Jews killed Christ get started. Lets go back to the crucifiction. Pontius Pilate wanted Christ dead because, in essence, anybody who declared himself to be of God was defiling the system of Roman gods, and Rome could not have that, could they? There were also a few Jews who wanted Christ done in (the Pharisees, known as the Pat Robertsons of yesterday), as well as many non-Jews. In fact a few of every race, creed, and denomination wanted Christ dead. His message was simply not that popular among those who did not follow him.

But the crux of the whole situation was when Christ was put on trial. Pilate told the crowd that they could spare either Christ or Barrabas. Barrabas just happened to be a hero. He had killed a Roman soldier and was to be executed. He was loved by the people, who also despised Rome. It was at that time, that the cries to spare Jesus' life was drowned out by those who wanted Barrabas freed. Then Pilate hypocritically washed his hands of the matter, and turned Christ over for execution, which was his plan to begin with. While saying "I find no fault in this man", Pilate worked towards his real end, which was to ensure that Christ would be put to death. There could be no other gods but Roman gods.

And, of course, since that time, there have always been people.... The Torqumadas of the world, as well as the Napoleons, the Lenninists, the Nazis, the Klansmen, and others, who would twist the truth just enough to make it look like it was the Jews who killed Christ.

The true story is of the Romans, who killed Christ. The myth is of those whose hearts were, and are still filled with hatred towards their fellow men.
It doesn't matter to some people if the act happened 150 years ago (slavery) or 2000 years ago (Christ being crucified) those people feel they have a right to hold a grudge today. So however ill-informed those people are they will always try to justify their ignorance. I am sorry you had to go through that.
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Being half Jewish, I was offended today by someone who called Jews Christ killers. I do not wear my Jewish half on my sleeve, and I don't practice Judaism, so this Bubba thought he was preaching to the choir. So to burn off a little steam, I am posting here about the people who DID kill Christ. It was the ROMANS.

So how did the myth that the Jews killed Christ get started. Lets go back to the crucifiction. Pontius Pilate wanted Christ dead because, in essence, anybody who declared himself to be of God was defiling the system of Roman gods, and Rome could not have that, could they? There were also a few Jews who wanted Christ done in (the Pharisees, known as the Pat Robertsons of yesterday), as well as many non-Jews. In fact a few of every race, creed, and denomination wanted Christ dead. His message was simply not that popular among those who did not follow him.

But the crux of the whole situation was when Christ was put on trial. Pilate told the crowd that they could spare either Christ or Barrabas. Barrabas just happened to be a hero. He had killed a Roman soldier and was to be executed. He was loved by the people, who also despised Rome. It was at that time, that the cries to spare Jesus' life was drowned out by those who wanted Barrabas freed. Then Pilate hypocritically washed his hands of the matter, and turned Christ over for execution, which was his plan to begin with. While saying "I find no fault in this man", Pilate worked towards his real end, which was to ensure that Christ would be put to death. There could be no other gods but Roman gods.

And, of course, since that time, there have always been people.... The Torqumadas of the world, as well as the Napoleons, the Lenninists, the Nazis, the Klansmen, and others, who would twist the truth just enough to make it look like it was the Jews who killed Christ.

The true story is of the Romans, who killed Christ. The myth is of those whose hearts were, and are still filled with hatred towards their fellow men.

I am very sorry to hear of your experience. Good for you writing about it and clearing it up with your friends here.
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