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Just have to interject with this part.
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There are many reasons beyond gospel to be moral.
Humanists, buddhists, and even athiests define moral living based on a framework that can be equally, or perhaps more sound than religious texts. Moreover, finding morality through scripture creates ethical conflicts. A person can rationalize just about any deed, if it is based on some deity, and their own personal interpretation of what the deity says they should do. A perfect example is the polygamist mormon sects. In my opinion, the most sound framework of morality stems from reason. Scripture lends itself to this idea: Quote:
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I agree with the above poster. Biblical morality is based on reason. In other words, things are not bad because God says so; rather, God says things are bad because they are bad in themselves. Premarital sex is forbidden because it can lead to financial, social, medical, and psychological problems. Lending at interest is verboten because it creates animosity between two people and can lead to broken friendships. In much the same way, homosexuality was forbidden to the Israelites because they needed to repopulate Canaan and build a large base for growing their communities. Perhaps some acts, like murder, break some kind of sacred supernatural law, but for the most part I believe that God's commandments are less, "THOU SHALT NOT" than, "You really don't want to do this."
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Funniest thing I have ever heard. Got any proof to support this?
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How's this for a funny little idea: Morality is based on how an individual should act in order to sustain his life - the right to his life being unalienable. No 2000 year old tome is required to be ethical, I assure you, but one must engage mind and think logically.
SO: Drug Use: My life (pls try to remember this). If I am to be true to my moral code, I will not indulge in harmful drugs. It is up to me to rationally decide whether tobacco, weed, alcohol etc add to my life experience or not. Maybe I will decide a little is okay but to over-indulge is not. Either way, it's my decision. Pre-marital sex: Again, my life ( I know, you've probably got it by now but I can't stress how important this is.) May I suggest that sex (marital or not) is a celebration of romantic love and to deny oneself of this is not life-enhancing; some might say it is the exact opposite. And, of course, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is of no concern of anybody else - unless there is a pistol-packing wife in the back-ground... Now, apply the same ethics to, say, homosexuality and see how you go. (Hint - remember, always to keep your nose out of another person's life. If what they do doesn't impact on your right to life then it is not your concern.) Forgive me if I live my life as if it's real - I don't know why I'm here anymore than anyone else does but, hey, I'm determined to enjoy it. Carpe Diem |
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Ps I am a rich hermit with a limp(leg not Dick) and a brain still brimming with great dollops of healthy sexual perversion at 57yrs, I guess you are right then. Ps what does the worm refer to?
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None. Mod edit to remove profanity. Fools to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am stuck up the middle of you! "Some people have recurrent behavior issues" Catz, proof please? Not all Religion is a load of bollocks,The United Church of the Latter Day Tangental Tarts is moist yet crisp Im a Tart, What! you want some of this Last edited by B L Zeebub; 06-02-2008 at 12:40 AM. Reason: Needle d i c k |
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Morality is a product of human interaction. Religions of various sorts simply codify morality in such a way as to flesh it out a bit. Instead of religion being the origin of morality, it is simply one of the vehicles for reinforcing it.
Notions of morality can be arrived at intuitively, and as a product of reason, so one really does not necessarily need religion to act or think morally.
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The law can be said to be a vehicle for enforcing morality. I'm not sure that I agree that religion is. In my experience, spiritual practice softens the hard edges of conceptual mind and melts away rigidity. With that comes openness and spontaneity--and freedom. Freedom to be who we are apart from rigid concepts we have of our selves or others project onto us. Last edited by wind; 06-02-2008 at 06:58 AM. |
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