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Old 06-06-2008, 07:28 AM
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"How do we know Islam is the truth?

1- It is the only religion that holds Allah as One, Unique, and Perfect.

2- It is the only religion that believes in the sole worship of Allah, not Jesus, not an idol, and not an angel, only Allah.

3- The Quran does not contain contradictions.

4- The Quran contains scientific facts, which are 1300 years ahead of their time. The Quran, while revealed 1400 years ago contains scientific facts, which are only now being discovered. It is not in contradiction to science.

5- Allah has challenged the world to produce the like of the Quran. And He says they won't be able to.

6- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most influential man in history. In the book "The 100 most influential men in History", written by non-Muslim, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was #1. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was #3. It should be noted that even the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was a prophet sent by Allah. Would Allah allow a false prophet to be so successful? No. Even the Bible refers to this in Deuteronomy 18:19. A false prophet would die!!! Yet Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not die till he completely conveyed, and taught Allah's religion.

7- He had many prophecies, and all of his prophecies have come true, or are still coming true."
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1- It is the only religion that holds Allah as One, Unique, and Perfect.
All monotheistic religions do this.
In fact "perfect" is usually redefined around whatever attributes are attributed to God.

And in any case, I don't see how this is proof... as there is no proof God exists.

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2- It is the only religion that believes in the sole worship of Allah, not Jesus, not an idol, and not an angel, only Allah.
Aside from Judaism.
And in Christianity, Jesus is God so there is no contradiction.
Hindu avatars are known by those who "worship" them to be merely aspects of the one God that encompasses all.

And again... from the "proof" perspective, I do not see how worshipping God is any more valid than worshipping Jesus or angels or nothing.

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3- The Quran does not contain contradictions..
I don't know it well enough to say if this is so.
But it does not prove anything if it is so.

I can write this:
Frogs have wings. Frogs fly. Birds do not have wings.

None of those lines contradict. And yet none of them are true.

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4- The Quran contains scientific facts, which are 1300 years ahead of their time. The Quran, while revealed 1400 years ago contains scientific facts, which are only now being discovered. It is not in contradiction to science.
I'd have to see the examples.
Likewise many theologians claim that some of the happenings in Revelations predict future events and technologies.

And consider this.
A Robert Heinlein novel contained the waterbed... before the waterbed existed.
Does that mean the novel was true?

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5- Allah has challenged the world to produce the like of the Quran. And He says they won't be able to..
Was he captured on film? Where is the proof that God said any of this?
And what standard should we hold to be "the like of the Quran"?

In some sense printing presses do this everyday.

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6- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most influential man in history. In the book "The 100 most influential men in History", written by non-Muslim, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was #1. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was #3. It should be noted that even the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was a prophet sent by Allah. Would Allah allow a false prophet to be so successful? No. Even the Bible refers to this in Deuteronomy 18:19. A false prophet would die!!! Yet Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not die till he completely conveyed, and taught Allah's religion.
I would claim that the people who first unlocked the mysteries of building fires, storing food, and creating alphabets were far more influential. But historians tend to seek iconic figures.
Anthropology tends to be more earthly about such things.

I do think there is bias though. Moses should be able to count in his range of influence all followers of Muhammed and Jesus.

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7- He had many prophecies, and all of his prophecies have come true, or are still coming true."
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The same is said of Nostrodamus, the writer of Revelations, and the Maya.
Of course the prophecies are always vague.

And it's easy to claim of any prophecy that it is in the process of coming true.
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Yes, see, the problem is - all your statemnts rely on the assumption that the Quran is telling the true. And the only proof you have that Quran is true, is that Allah says so, and you know he says so, because the Quran says he does. See the problem.

Don't feel bad, Christians do exactly the same with the Bible. the Bible is given as the infalable word of God, and it is known to be so, because the Bible says so.

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I would also like to see the scientific facts.
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I could do the same thing with Buddhism.

I could tell you why Buddhism is uniquely the path to truth. I won't, because I don't proselytize.

I could argue that many of the points listed as Islamic principles are NOT truth. But I have respect for other religious views.

And because I am NOT a student of Islam. I am a student of Buddhism. I can only speak to what I know of Buddhism. It would be crazy and arrogant for me to presume to know more about Islam than a Muslim.

Here is one example from the Four Noble Truths:

The truth of impermanence. Everyone who is born will die.
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I know its not the truth, b/c the word of Jesus and the real God is the truth. i don't get mad at islam b/c it doesn't really exist.
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"How do we know Islam is the truth?

1- It is the only religion that holds Allah as One, Unique, and Perfect.

2- It is the only religion that believes in the sole worship of Allah, not Jesus, not an idol, and not an angel, only Allah.

3- The Quran does not contain contradictions.

4- The Quran contains scientific facts, which are 1300 years ahead of their time. The Quran, while revealed 1400 years ago contains scientific facts, which are only now being discovered. It is not in contradiction to science.

5- Allah has challenged the world to produce the like of the Quran. And He says they won't be able to.

6- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most influential man in history. In the book "The 100 most influential men in History", written by non-Muslim, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was #1. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was #3. It should be noted that even the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was a prophet sent by Allah. Would Allah allow a false prophet to be so successful? No. Even the Bible refers to this in Deuteronomy 18:19. A false prophet would die!!! Yet Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not die till he completely conveyed, and taught Allah's religion.

7- He had many prophecies, and all of his prophecies have come true, or are still coming true."
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I am Christian. I have to elaborate on the gross misunderstanding of the role of Jesus.

I have heard accusations that Christians are idolaters because of a misconception that Jesus was revered as God. Jesus referred to himself as the "Son of Man". He is human, not divine in and of himself, and he has no reservations against showing his humanity, in the washing of the feet of his disciples, throwing a fit in the place of worship that was being used as a marketplace, and my personal favorite, when a woman was brought before him who had committed adultery and was at the risk of stoning by those who wished to discredit him, he knelt down, drew in the sand, and said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone", which is among the greatest recovery lines without a valid argument of all time; by application, if a criminal is to be executed, he could respond "Are you pious enough to have the right to have me killed?".

Jesus is a symbol to Christians, yes. But what is intended to be portrayed is the transition of a vengeful, angry God into one of boundless love. Jesus never once professed to be God Himself. He is a mortal extension of a Creator who longs to be with us so much that simply in spirit is not enough. Just as children are extensions of their parents but not also their parents, so is Jesus an extension of God to people. It is the intention, out of infinite affection, to want to be with us in every way.

Christianity does not revolve around punishment, fear, or exile; as a matter of fact, the opposite is true. Of course, there is the theoretical threat of hell and such, but perdition is not concisely described in detail. The true hell is an eternal gulf between the soul and God. Christianity offers an opportunity to do penance for transgressions because humans are intrinsically imperfect. And people are always welcome back. The only distance that can be created between man and God in a Christian notion is by personal choice, and even then, God will wait for their return.

Religion should be approached with devotion, but not to the extent that zealotry will cause death to family members and mass slaughter by warring factions between disparate belief systems.

When people come to this realization, another milestone in evolution will be achieved.
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I'm pretty sure it isn't.
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I'm pretty sure it isn't.

How do you know that?

Why wouldn't it be as true a religion as Christianity is to Christians or as true a path as atheism is to atheists?
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I've never understood why of all the religions, it always seems like Islam preeches its the best. I'm sure this isn't the case all the time, but in my personal experience I can't count how many times I've been told Islam is better than Christianity. I think the specifics of our beliefs are irrelevant to our creator, who will judge us on merit, not by which religion we happened to find most true to ourselves.
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