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Default Christians vs Muslims vs Jews and Obamnites are loving it

We are so busy fighting amongst ourselves that we don't see our quiet, sneaky common enemy sneaking up on us. Socialists and Obamanites love it when Jews, Christians, and Muslims fight because it helps there case to take away religous freedom in America. We better all wake up and look around.
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We are so busy fighting amongst ourselves that we don't see our quiet, sneaky common enemy sneaking up on us. Socialists and Obamanites love it when Jews, Christians, and Muslims fight because it helps there case to take away religous freedom in America. We better all wake up and look around.
Interesting irony.
You are attacking an alleged "socialist attack" by advocating something akin to class consciousness.
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Fighting fire with fire so to speak. What I am saying is very true though.
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Fighting fire with fire so to speak. What I am saying is very true though.
It's all a matter of framing.
Just as Marx said that all workers should give up their differences to fight the bourgesie, you are claiming all religionists need to unite against a perceived socialist threat.

This overlooks that many religionists are in agreement with the "enemy" you cite.
Also keep in mind that even when framing it as "religionism v. secularism", all minority religions benefit from supporting secularism to avoid the domination of the majority religion... and a large number of the majority religion also believe in secularism.
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It's all a matter of framing.
Just as Marx said that all workers should give up their differences to fight the bourgesie, you are claiming all religionists need to unite against a perceived socialist threat.

This overlooks that many religionists are in agreement with the "enemy" you cite.
Also keep in mind that even when framing it as "religionism v. secularism", all minority religions benefit from supporting secularism to avoid the domination of the majority religion... and a large number of the majority religion also believe in secularism.
Those religionists are deceived. What is scary about socialism is that it unites the masses and leads them to their demise (like the Soviet Union). It sounds good to the poor masses at the time and then they remain poor and get poorer. The poor simply end up with more poor to keep them company. Religious groups are more likely to really help them than the gov't.

My main point is that these 3 groups don't have to agree or be afraid of one another. Socialism wants us to be afraid of each other. Socialists usually seek to divide and conquer religious groups because they are the biggest threat to them. Socialists usually end up persecuting all 3 as well as Hindus and Buddhists. Look at China and Tibet.
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My main point is that these 3 groups don't have to agree or be afraid of one another. Socialism wants us to be afraid of each other. Socialists usually seek to divide and conquer religious groups because they are the biggest threat to them. Socialists usually end up persecuting all 3 as well as Hindus and Buddhists. Look at China and Tibet.
That is actually contradictory to what you are saying.
You first claim that socialism seeks to unite people... Then you claim it wants religionists divided.
The only way that can be true is if socialism is directly connected to some form of religious nationalism... like Christian Socialism (the only one that would work under this model in this country).

I think your definition of socialism is rather off and your ideas of the dynamics involved really off.
For one thing if Obama is a socialist, he is also a secularist (he's definitely that). Secularists believe in the OPPOSITE of dividing religionists against one another on basis of religion. Rather they divide people on the basis of moderate or extremist.

All political philosophies divide. Otherwise they would not be meaningful political philosophies.
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