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Old 07-12-2008, 12:17 PM
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The theory of gravity and the law of gravity are separate.

The theory of gravity is that objects comprised of many atoms or molecules will attract other similar objects. This is a theory based on observations.

The law of gravity is that the force of attraction is proportional to the mass of the objects and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. This is a mathematical formula.

The theory of evolution is that living things will slowly optimize their characteristics to the environment they occupy by variation due to sexual reproduction and the survival of those with the more optimum characteristics. This is a theory based on observations.
There is no "the" theory of gravity. There are theories (plural) of gravity. Gravity is something we don't fully understand, and it is something we cannot fully explain. If you mean to tell me there is one universal theory that every physicist and every scientist on this entire planet regards as "the" theory of gravity, and that's the basis of your argument, I would address that as a totally flawed concept.

And you've still slinked by the actuality of the matter. Here, this article puts it into perspective:

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The question of why atoms attract one another is still not understood.
Yes, it's a mathematical equation--if you take the "why" out of that equation and make massive presumptions and assumptions. Sure. That's the law of gravity--it's still not understood. It probably never will be. But who knows? No one. It's no different from human evolution. Yes, we know that species generically evolve, but that doesn't prove jack when you apply the same "data" to the questions regarding human evolution. Scientifically speaking, the only true way to actually prove human evolution as a fact is to observe it--all thousands and maybe millions of generations of evolution--those prior to human existence (a massive impossibility for us) which is why the pope was actually right. I'm not even a big fan of the pope. I'm not a fan of the Catholic church--I respect their right to what they believe in, but I certainly respect the way he understood what he was talking about. Science should not waste time attempting to answer such foolishly impossible-to-answer questions out of nothing more than judgment. That's the opposite of science. That's idiocy. The pope didn't even endorse creationism when he said that. He simply said exactly what I've said now.
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The question in the OP, Did Jesus even exist? reminds me of something the Buddha said, "I never came, I never taught."

What if Jesus existed, but not in an ordinary way?
What if Jesus did come here as god with an aura of a godhead? Would that not have been more then coming as a carpenter and dying on a cross. What he says in that bible book is alluring and insiteful but does it make him God. Read M.K. Gandhi Experiments in Truth. Is Gandhi god? He said some powerful things. He too was murdered by zealots of the faith. Shame on us all. Jesus and Gandhi come in peace and love and war breaks out in Jesus name all the time.
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What if Jesus did come here as god with an aura of a godhead? Would that not have been more then coming as a carpenter and dying on a cross. What he says in that bible book is alluring and insiteful but does it make him God. Read M.K. Gandhi Experiments in Truth. Is Gandhi god? He said some powerful things. He too was murdered by zealots of the faith. Shame on us all. Jesus and Gandhi come in peace and love and war breaks out in Jesus name all the time.

Interesting way of looking at Jesus. Some feel that Jesus was an enlightened master of awareness like many Tibetan Buddhist masters. There is a phenomena known as 'rainbow body' that highly advanced meditators are known to achieve--even in modern times. The body dissolves into light. Some feel that the story of the disappearance of Jesus body in the tomb describes this phenomena.

IMO Jesus came to prove, by his example, that we are God and man, and that by following in his footsteps we can achieve and exceed his enlightened activity.

I think the Crucifixion is an example of what Jesus was able to achieve in transforming suffering. He never hated his abusers. In the face of great pain and suffering his thoughts were only of concern for others.

This is a wonderful example to follow.

I am a Buddhist, I don't believe in "God' as he is conceived of by Christians, Jews and Muslims, and I have great respect for Christ. Some feel that when Christ 'wandered the desert' for three years he studied meditation with great masters of awareness.

As long as we're talking stories, I just thought I'd include this one, for what it's worth.

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Interesting way of looking at Jesus. Some feel that Jesus was an enlightened master of awareness like many Tibetan Buddhist masters. There is a phenomena known as 'rainbow body' that highly advanced meditators are known to achieve--even in modern times. The body dissolves into light. Some feel that the story of the disappearance of Jesus body in the tomb describes this phenomena.

IMO Jesus came to prove, by his example, that we are God and man, and that by following in his footsteps we can achieve and exceed his enlightened activity.

I think the Crucifixion is an example of what Jesus was able to achieve in transforming suffering. He never hated his abusers. In the face of great pain and suffering his thoughts were only of concern for others.

This is a wonderful example to follow.

I am a Buddhist, I don't believe in "God' as he is conceived of by Christians, Jews and Muslims, and I have great respect for Christ. Some feel that when Christ 'wandered the desert' for three years he studied meditation with great masters of awareness.

As long as we're talking stories, I just thought I'd include this one, for what it's worth.
I see Jesus as a special person. I think the world has had many special people. M.K Gandhi, Gautama Buddha, Mohammad even people like Thomas Payne, Thomas Jefferson and John Locke. Einstein, Descartes and Hawking.

It doesn't mean i want to deify them. I will study their lives and understand what they say. Even hold them up as role models. Yet to make them gods would cause inner conflict. That would make them something we are not. I am not a god nor do I wish it.

I do think that if more people conducted themselves as these we would have a far better place to live. I think it is so much easier to use there words and ideas as themes but never espouse the manner that they lived to ourselves.
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More and more with each passing generation we grow closer to being God's ourselves. Evolution itself declares that possibility. We are doing more and achieving more than any of our ancestors believed possible. Whither you want to be or not, it is happening. We are learning how to make our bodies super human. There are athletes out there now using concoctions to improve their play and it is working. Sports scientists are learning how to train our bodies to run faster, lift heaver weights, and endure longer. Why is it so hard to imagine another life having already done so? Is it so hard to believe that we are the children of God? If we exist, why is it so hard to believe that Christ existed?
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If we exist, why is it so hard to believe that Christ existed?
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We are learning how to make our bodies super human.
Yes, by using the scientific techniques, that are available now. There is no technique to revive the dead (Jesuslol), let alone would it be available 2000 years ago.
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