Christian Persecution Complex

G_Haile12 · #1 (**permalink**) 06-13-2008, 08:01 PM

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I think it would be necessary now to talk about the phenomenon of Christians seeking to restore the existence of Christian Privilege in America. Closely associated with this is the existence of a 'persecution complex' where Christians whine about how they aren't allowed to do whatever they wish and, therefore, are being persecuted because of their religion.

When you have Christian Persecution Complex, you see every judicial decision, every cultural change, and every constitutional challenge to the status quo of entrenched Christian superiority as a war on Christianity. They cannot see the difference between “a Christian nation” and “a secular nation with a Christian majority”. Since they are the majority, they seem to think that American culture and law should bend itself to their religious beliefs. They’ll talk about the “tyranny of the minority” when issues like gay marriage or school prayer are decided by the courts.

They’ll scream that we’re trying to “excise God like a cancer” if we (you know, “the left”) argue that posting Ten Commandments in courthouses, In God We Trust on money, or forcing schoolchildren to recite under God during the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional (somehow, all three are merely ceremonial deism - not religion - but the fundies defend them as if it meant more than that.) When we defend women’s abortion rights, they’ll claim that we had to “cheat” by taking the fight to the courts, because we can’t accomplish our ends through the democratic political process. When we work to see gay people attain full citizenship in this country, we’re accused of “shoving the gay agenda down people’s throats”.

As a member of the majority religion, they don’t see these government endorsements of Christianity the way some of us do. They see In God We Trust on the money and it’s just a simple fact to them; I see government promoting faith in an unprovable religious opinion counter to the First Amendment. They see Ten Commandments in courthouses and it’s a natural extension of God’s Law; I see a government that claims to treat all its citizens equally without regard to religion, yet displays Judeo-Christian scripture to show that some religions are more equal than others. They see prayer in public school as a healthy ritual for children; I see the children of Wiccans, Buddhists, Muslims, and Atheists forced to endure government-sponsored indoctrination into Judeo-Christian ideals (how am I supposed to convince my kid that belief in God is a foolish superstition when his school and his government are constantly telling him there is a God?)

So peoples, tell me your own personal experiences, when have you encountered CPC in an individual?

B-rett · #2 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 11:30 AM

Or, its people have a blank check to insult Christianity when they want, however, when somebody tries to insult any other religon they are instantly criticized. I think that Christians would like to see the double standard removed.

Glinda · #3 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by B-rett

I think that Christians would like to see the double standard removed.

So would atheists. It's about time so-called Christians started acting the part by turning the other cheek, loving their enemies, and leaving me the hell alone to not believe in the invisible skyman, mmmmkay?

Thanks, ever so.

B L Zeebub · #4 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by B-rett

Or, its people have a blank check to insult Christianity when they want, however, when somebody tries to insult any other religon they are instantly criticized. I think that Christians would like to see the double standard removed.

Im a equal opportunity insulter, all religions even the jedi nights, all preach a load of bollocks

White Fox · #5 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Glinda

and leaving me the hell alone

What a right wing stance you have!

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Originally Posted by G_Haile12

how they aren't allowed to do whatever they wish

That should be a valid complaint for you who complains about this.

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Originally Posted by B L Zeebub

all religions even the jedi nights, all preach a load of bollocks

Classic!

BillyBob · #6 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by G_Haile12

They’ll scream that we’re trying to “excise God like a cancer” if we (you know, “the left”) argue that posting Ten Commandments in courthouses, In God We Trust on money, or forcing schoolchildren to recite under God during the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional

There is nothing UnConstitutional about any of those.

However, I don't remember ever being forced to say 'under God' when we collectively said the Pledge of Allegiance.

White Fox · #7 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

There is nothing UnConstitutional about any of those.

However, I don't remember ever being forced to say 'under God' when we collectively said the Pledge of Allegiance.

BillyBob has a great point here.

Does anyone here honestly think that you are forced to say "under God"?

Do you think anyone is actually listening when you say the pledge in a crowd of people?

Leave it out if it bothers you that much. No one will ever know...

sunnyside · #8 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 12:27 PM

First there isn't anything in the constitution that says any mention of religion must be wiped from all public entities. It says no law shall be enacted respecting an establishment of religion or prohibit the free excercise thereof.

Nothing about some piece of artwork just sitting somewhere.

But beyond that the increasing cries of persecution are more coming from things where students can say pretty much anything they want in a graduation speech. Except mentiond God. Or generally anytime a student gets near the PA they must have their free speech squashed.

Or that you can advertise a concert in a public park. Unless it happens to be associated with a religion. Or at least associated with Christianity.

And you're starting to see some stuff like people trying to shut down prayer meetings under obscure zoning laws (too many cars in someones driveway).

Also Christians aren't a majority everywhere. For example I'm in academia. And there I've seem people, who really should be talking about science policy, take a shot at Christianity. Someone doing the opposite would have been career suicide.

In short Christains did persecute people if you go back far enough in history. And with the gay stuff you could easily argue they're doing so now. Fair enough.

However as the tides change they're starting to get persecuted themselves here and there, and it isn't fair at all to say they can't protest that any more than anyone else who is being persecuted for something.

B-rett · #9 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyside

First there isn't anything in the constitution that says any mention of religion must be wiped from all public entities. It says no law shall be enacted respecting an establishment of religion or prohibit the free excercise thereof.

Nothing about some piece of artwork just sitting somewhere.

But beyond that the increasing cries of persecution are more coming from things where students can say pretty much anything they want in a graduation speech. Except mentiond God. Or generally anytime a student gets near the PA they must have their free speech squashed.

Or that you can advertise a concert in a public park. Unless it happens to be associated with a religion. Or at least associated with Christianity.

And you're starting to see some stuff like people trying to shut down prayer meetings under obscure zoning laws (too many cars in someones driveway).

Also Christians aren't a majority everywhere. For example I'm in academia. And there I've seem people, who really should be talking about science policy, take a shot at Christianity. Someone doing the opposite would have been career suicide.

In short Christains did persecute people if you go back far enough in history. And with the gay stuff you could easily argue they're doing so now. Fair enough.

However as the tides change they're starting to get persecuted themselves here and there, and it isn't fair at all to say they can't protest that any more than anyone else who is being persecuted for something.

thank you my point exactly

Joe1991 · #10 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 01:41 PM

Christian Persecution, in this country? ...please.

only in the tiny minds of the mentally ill.

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