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Old 07-09-2008, 04:18 PM
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I'm an agnostic, leaning toward atheism. The reason I'm functionaly an atheist is that I see no logical argument let alone any empirical evidence that any god ever existed or exists today.

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if you dont believe you will ultimately die and suffer for all eternity. if you believe, you never die and you enjoy eternal life in heaven.

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if you dont believe you will ultimately die and suffer for all eternity. if you believe, you never die and you enjoy eternal life in heaven.

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Uhh...those are your imagined consequences of not believing in your particular version of a god.

I was asking for evidence. Of any god.
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I was asking for evidence. Of any god.
There is none what so ever. When we die, we just rot in the ground after a life of misery. Happy now?

Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way...
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There is none what so ever. When we die, we just rot in the ground after a life of misery. Happy now?
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I'm an agnostic, leaning toward atheism. The reason I'm functionaly an atheist is that I see no logical argument let alone any empirical evidence that any god ever existed or exists today.

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why do believers have to convince you otherwise? Why can't we just live and believe without having to explain?
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You can't believe in a negative, Danish. What makes you so sure there's nothing out there? You sound as fanatical as the Christians you hate sooooo much. As I said in the other thread,

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I think for a lot of people science just isn't enough. I certainly understand why you feel like it is, as I'm an atheist myself (though I don't like the connotations the label carries these days), because science has revealed more about the world than any other process ever has or ever could. The problem is that with all that we know there is still so much we don't. While evolution and the big bang and string theory or any of a number of other scientific advances might make it a safe bet in your eyes to assume that science will answer it all, not everybody feels that way.

I hope you realize that the mindset of most modern Christians, and in general all moderate religious people, is not a literal interpretation of the bible. Most "religious" people anymore simply find more sense in the idea that there is some greater unifying force behind everything than the idea that there's not. Regardless of the specifics, if you can't accept that as a legitimate possibility despite not personally believing it, you're as ignorant as you accuse them of being, because nothing we know precludes that possibility.
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The only belief in a higher power that has any kind of rationale backing it is Intelligent Design but it hasn't been tested scientifically so, no, there's no evidence. In fact, I saw a lecture by a major proponent of ID and at the end we all asked for him to go over the scientific method and ID and he couldn't. Yup there's nothing.
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why do believers have to convince you otherwise? Why can't we just live and believe without having to explain?
I have already explained this elsewhere. If the religious would leave us alone, we would leave them alone. Unfortunatelly they don't.
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You can't believe in a negative, Danish. What makes you so sure there's nothing out there? You sound as fanatical as the Christians you hate sooooo much. As I said in the other thread,
I'm neutral from birth. In order for me to believe in anything, I need evidence.

No evidence has been forthcoming from any believer or their friends, or their friend's friends, or....
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