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Old 07-25-2008, 01:36 PM
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I'm reflecting on this 'atheist' vs 'buddhist' dichotomy. What's different for me as a Buddhist who doesn't believe in God, is that I don't find it necessary to ask Christians to prove God exists.
I suppose it depends. If you are engaging someone in debate and they make an affirmative claim it's totally appropriate to expect them to provide evidence or proof for said claim. In "real life" I don't think I've asked a Christian to prove anything. I never even ask anyone what their religion is. What do I care?
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No. Why would I be curious about asking for proof of the existence or non-existence of God?

I have other training and interests. In Buddhism, we talk about going beyond the four extremes--existence, non-existence, both existence and non-existence and neither existence nor non-existence.
So it's low on your priority list... But I just can't see how more curiosity is in any way a bad thing.
I like to see how people justify their beliefs and what reaction they have when those justifications are challenged. It helps me to learn more about what it means to be human.
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So it's low on your priority list... But I just can't see how more curiosity is in any way a bad thing.
I like to see how people justify their beliefs and what reaction they have when those justifications are challenged. It helps me to learn more about what it means to be human.
Sure. Interest in others is useful when you're examining what it means to be human.

The topic of what it means to be human and what makes life meaningful is interesting to me. Proving or disproving the existence of God is not.

Buddhism doesn't examine God or creation particularly. We do look at and have interest in the unique opportunities in a human life.
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I only examine and ask questions for proof of god when I am pressed on my views by some believer. outside of that I pay no attention to the idea of a god.

I do tend to look at humanity through rose colored glasses and visualize utopia for those generations far in the future.
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I only examine and ask questions for proof of god when I am pressed on my views by some believer. outside of that I pay no attention to the idea of a god.
I guess it really comes up the most often with me when someone is trying to press faith=science or ID=theory.
I cannot bring myself to let such misguidedness prevail.
I like to make sure we all knowwhat science is and why God has nothing to do with it.
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I guess it really comes up the most often with me when someone is trying to press faith=science or ID=theory.
I cannot bring myself to let such misguidedness prevail.
I like to make sure we all knowwhat science is and why God has nothing to do with it.
Yes that's my point. At times i do drift off into the prove god argument. I try and catch myself when i do that.

Many people attack with god using the bible that is his book that says who he is and they expect me to buy that
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Yep. It's generally a reaction to something they did or said. Otherwise it's a non-issue.
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I think the atheists who post at PF are pretty balanced, and tolerant of Christians and religious practitioners.

I've had the experience on other forums when that wasn't the case. There were posters with flamebaiting styles similar to my 'nemesis' on the gay and lesbian threads to bash gays. The difference is they were angry atheists --only they turned up on religion forums to trash talk and bash Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Scientologists and every other religion they could think of.

Atheists are as individual as any other group that are lumped together for 'convenience'.
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I think the atheists who post at PF are pretty balanced, and tolerant of Christians and religious practitioners.

I've had the experience on other forums when that wasn't the case. There were posters with flamebaiting styles similar to my 'nemesis' on the gay and lesbian threads to bash gays. The difference is they were angry atheists --only they turned up on religion forums to trash talk and bash Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Scientologists and every other religion they could think of.

Atheists are as individual as any other group that are lumped together for 'convenience'.
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Why do we operate under the assumption that if you believe in a God you forgo all logic?

I believe in a Religion, but I don't pretend to be better than anyone else, and I don't pretend I can provide scientific proof that my religion is accurate.

I go to a Religious school, but I know more about evolution than most people at the public schools nearby. At my school we actually pass our AP exams in stark contrast to the schools that don't mention or allow anyone to speak of religion.

Science looks at and examines the laws of nature. Its the study of whats around us, and its used for fantastic things. I for one love it and plan to dedicate my life to one of its copious backwaters. Admittedly I haven't ventured too far into Science (2 years of chemistry one being AP, 2 years of biology one being AP, 1 year of physics, 1 year of anatomy) but none of it has conflicted with anything I believe in.

I do understand agnostics. I don't understand aethists. How was the universe created? There's got to be something out there, that something might not be anything we worship today, that something might not give a rat's ass about us, but to say something came from nothing is a textbook case of ignorance.
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