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One can assume two possibilities for what existed before the universe.

First, that there was nothing to begin with, and matter and anti-matter arose spontaneously from it.

Or that the nothing that was inherent at the beginning of our universe was created by the collision of matter and anti-matter from a previous universe.

It works either way.
but at what point is there no previous anything?
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the Final Conclusion Is No Matter What Position You Take There Is One Unanswerd Question.

I.e. What Came First?
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That is where the debate always comes to. Something had to be first and no one can answer that question with full certainty.
What are you asking by "what came first?"
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but maybe we're asking the wrong question...
There aren't any other questions. There is not an answer that is satisfactory to everyone and there can never be one that will have both sides agree.
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but at what point is there no previous anything?
Why do you even assume that such a point must exist?
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What came first a god or matter and anti matter. What came first. you can always go back and ask who created god or how did matter and anti matter come into being. That is the final answer we will never know.
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What came first a god or matter and anti matter. What came first. you can always go back and ask who created god or how did matter and anti matter come into being. That is the final answer we will never know.
Why are you even talking about God? We know that matter and anti-matter exist, and we know how and why they can spontaneously arise from absolutely nothing.
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The whole point comes to a pilosophical loop. with no beginning and no end. Everyone will not be satisfied by either of the two conclusions. Only one of the two can be correct. And the correct answer will always leave one question. Philosophy 101 asks this.
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Why do you even assume that such a point must exist?
oh i have no clue. thats why i said that other dude was asking the wrong question. but that is where they are coming from. they are SURE there is a finite beginning. i am not at all so sure. "what came first" is under the assumption that there is a first. we do not know that there is a first, or last.
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Why are you even talking about God? We know that matter and anti-matter exist, and we know how and why they can spontaneously arise from absolutely nothing.
We know that matter and anti matter exist but where did they come from?

You can't answer that.
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The whole point comes to a pilosophical loop. with no beginning and no end. Everyone will not be satisfied by either of the two conclusions. Only one of the two can be correct. And the correct answer will always leave one question. Philosophy 101 asks this.
One of the two explanations is supported by empirical evidence, observation, and mathematics.

The other is completely circular, and is paired with many other physical explanations that have been disproved by empirical evidence, observation, and mathematics.
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