Where did I say anything was magic? I don't recall using that term to describe anything.

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Did you ever take a philosophy course?

The math and evidence do not matter if someone moves that into the faith realm. Once that has been injected you get trapped in the loop with no conclusien.

As long as people insist on faith there will ever be a disagreement.

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Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this?

Yes, I can, and that's what I've been trying to explain the entire time.









They come from nothing.

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"The raw fact is that every successful example of economic development this past century--every case of a poor nation that worked its way up to a more or less decent, or at least dramatically better, standard of living--has taken place via globalization; that is, by producing for the world market rather than trying for self-sufficiency."

-- Paul Krugman

I never said that people will be logical about it and agree.

There will always be people that have faith in a flat-earth, but that doesn't make the earth flat.

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"The raw fact is that every successful example of economic development this past century--every case of a poor nation that worked its way up to a more or less decent, or at least dramatically better, standard of living--has taken place via globalization; that is, by producing for the world market rather than trying for self-sufficiency."

-- Paul Krugman

I can explain it as well.

I keep saying that to the faith based arguemnet that will not hold up. It becaomes a philosopical loop unanswered. You and I can know but the faith side will always question. The debate will always go on.
Again philosophy 101.
If you took philosophy you should know about the loop.

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We will knock on the door, if it does not open, we will revolt for our rights.

Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this?

Here's an explanation of how gravity factors into it and how matter and anti-matter can be seen as a total "nothing" while still existing separately from one another while holding true to the conservation of energy principle:

"There are something like ten million million million million million million million million million million million million million million (1 with eighty [five] zeroes after it) particles in the region of the universe that we can observe. Where did they all come from? The answer is that, in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle pairs. But that just raises the question of where the energy came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero. The matter in the universe is made out of positive energy. However, the matter is all attracting itself by gravity. Two pieces of matter that are close to each other have less energy than the same two pieces a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them against the gravitational force that is pulling them together. Thus, in a sense, the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero. (Hawking, 1988, 129)"

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"The raw fact is that every successful example of economic development this past century--every case of a poor nation that worked its way up to a more or less decent, or at least dramatically better, standard of living--has taken place via globalization; that is, by producing for the world market rather than trying for self-sufficiency."

-- Paul Krugman

That's right and no matter what proofs you offer they will take the step back and say where did that come from. It is unending.

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ACCEPTANCE IS THE ANSWER!

We will knock on the door, if it does not open, we will revolt for our rights.

Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this?

The "loop" known as circular logic, which is not logic at all.

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"The raw fact is that every successful example of economic development this past century--every case of a poor nation that worked its way up to a more or less decent, or at least dramatically better, standard of living--has taken place via globalization; that is, by producing for the world market rather than trying for self-sufficiency."

-- Paul Krugman

Those who are on a circular path of logic exist on a philosophical plane apart from reality.

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"The raw fact is that every successful example of economic development this past century--every case of a poor nation that worked its way up to a more or less decent, or at least dramatically better, standard of living--has taken place via globalization; that is, by producing for the world market rather than trying for self-sufficiency."

-- Paul Krugman

The response moves away from Religion and Science and become philosophy and cannot be answered to make everyone happy so there will always be the same debate. If you have not taken philosophy you keep wanting to persue a debate with no conclusion.

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ACCEPTANCE IS THE ANSWER!

We will knock on the door, if it does not open, we will revolt for our rights.

Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this?