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Old 08-08-2008, 09:23 AM
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I understand your point too I was an Agnostic Atheist for many years because of my feelings towards organized religion. I believe it has done caused nothing but trouble (for the most part) since its inception. I say extremist because not all religious people lack logic or reasoning. You won't hear these peoples voice though because they don't feel the need to spread their religion and force their beliefs onto anyone else. I could use an argument against Atheists that they are all godless hippies with no morals - but I know that would be a blanket statement and doesn't apply to the majority of Atheists. Just as everyone that has religion doesn't believe that anyone that doesn't believe in their specific religion will go to hell.

It just seems you are using religion to discredit the belief in a creator and it also seems you are lumping everyone that has religion together in one category.
No I am using religion to discredit that particular religion. Religions are man man made myths.

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That, I don't know.
I just don't dismiss the possibility of God.
Then you don't dismiss the possibility there is no Gawd?

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I don't explain away my existence as simply, random evolution.
How do you explain your physical existence?

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I think that is intellectually lazy. I believe in the possibility of a Creator.
Then you also believe in the possibility of no creator?

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I've seen no evidence there is No God, and until I do, I have no reason to alter
my Faith.
And you've seen no evidence there is a Gawd so why do you have faith?

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Dinosaur bones in limestone, really means nothing to me. It does not
dismiss God's possible existence.
So why do you believe your Gawd created the Universe? And if you believe this, what existed prior to creating the Universe?

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I don't place the burden on God to show Himself.
If your Gawd is hidden, why and where are they hiding?

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I don't test God. He will show Himself in due time.
What makes you believe your Gawd will suddenly show themselves?

What makes you believe your Gawd is a 'he'?

What possibility do you give that your Gawd is a Black person?

What possibility do you give that your Gawd is a Hispanic?

And lastly, if your Gawd created the Universe, how many other civilizations exist and where is this talked about in your spiritual book?
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Why do you spell God as Gawd?

What are all those questions about? Why should anyone answer them?
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Why should anyone answer them?
That's the best question on this page.
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There was nothing to begin with, and anti-matter and matter did not exist the whole time.

It arose from nothing, which is entirely physically possible when what is arising is equal amounts of matter and anti-matter.

I don't necessarily believe there was 'nothing'.

I believe there was all that we know of our Universe condensed into one hell of a solid and heavy mass.

I believe the Universe we know is not the entire story; there may be multiple universes, perhaps in a different dimension or space or time, on a scale unfathomable to most of us.

Perhaps all that we know was once a thriving Universe, which condensed upon itself, and at some point of condensed mass and energy, the Big Bang happens, and we have what we know today; and this cycle is repeated in a time and space scale beyond our current comprehension.

For those who cannot accept 'nothing', perhaps there was something but we don't know why or where that something came from, how and why it condensed, and why it imploded?

But for me...I do know...it is much more interesting to question and imagine these scenarios based on math and physics rather than concocting a Gawd and making assumptions of what that Gawd intended.

These are my thoughts and they are not validated with math...and I don't need an imaginary Gawd to think this and/or manage my life and death...
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Why do you spell God as Gawd?

What are all those questions about? Why should anyone answer them?
That guy is a troll - proven in another thread. Please do us all a favor and don't respond to his garbage. He's worse than kreo - kreo is actually fun, that guy is just offensive.
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That guy is a troll - proven in another thread. Please do us all a favor and don't respond to his garbage. He's worse than kreo - kreo is actually fun, that guy is just offensive.
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