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Old 07-24-2008, 02:55 PM
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Default Anti-prostitution laws, The First Amendment, and Temple Prostitution

This is more a legal question than anything else, but it is very related to religion as well.

Sometimes I have ideas, and plans, when I make my millions what will I do with those millions? One idea of mine is to open a temple. I practice a form of sumerian religion, this is a very old religion from the beginning of recorded time, this also makes me a polytheist (NOT a pantheist!) and I have a pact of sorts with three deities in particular, Enki, Inanna, and Ninmah.

I also celebrate Ninkasi, the goddess of beer, when I am brewing homemade beer and/or hard cider, but this is mostly for fun

The ancient sumerian temples, particularly and especially the temple(s) of Inanna and her cultists practiced temple prostitution.

The issue is that prostitution is illegal in most jurisdictions in the united states, the law that conflicts with anti-prostitution laws in this case is the first amendment, freedom of religion, in this case freedom of religion is the freedom of members of this temple to participate in temple prostitution, so who thinks we'd get away with it? If/when the legal battle comes about which way will the verdict go? Would it go as high as the supreme court?


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It is certain that Inanna was identified as a goddess of sexuality, and the courtship myth includes passages describing the lovemaking of Inanna and Dumuzi in explicit detail. The extent to which sex rites played a part in the Sumerian worship of Inanna is undetermined, although her temples are known to have employed temple prostitutes, and Inanna herself was a patron of prostitution throughout the Mesopotamian world. Both male and female prostitutes are referenced in Sumerian hymns as serving or honoring Inanna [27]. Transvestitism, also referenced in surviving hymns to Inanna, was a common feature of parades honoring this goddess [28].
Whether the prostitutes referenced in Inanna's hymns were members of the priestcraft or a separate class within the temple is a matter for some debate.
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It's a risk.
The First Ammendment covers freedom of belief and expression of that belief, but not always action.
Look at the Fundy Mormons right now. You don't get away with statuatory rape for faith.
On the other hand some Native tribes get rights to use certain drugs in rituals that would normally be illegal.

I think it depends on whether the crime is seen as harmless or not. And it depends on how the SCOTUS feels (I don't think it's so easy to rely even on liberal-conservative divisions for this... it's up in the air).

I'd suggest just starting the temple in Nevada. It would be easier.
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You need to look at the particular statutes. They're very different and some can be quite confusing and frankly archaic. State law refers. You need to o consult a lawyer because it's entirely probable that an appeal to the constitution will fail. If that worked then the mob would have figured it out years ago.
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I also celebrate Ninkasi, the goddess of beer, when I am brewing homemade beer and/or hard cider, but this is mostly for fun
Now that's my kind of deity!
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Just set your religion up in such a way that your worshippers don't have to pay for sex with the goddess. Then, it wouldn't be prostitution.
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I dont believe in paying for luv...anyways...

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I actually think that could work as long as it's totally clean and harmless and involves no children. I agree with Java, Nevada would be easiest.
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The members of this faith would pay for sex with other members or the girls would be outside of the faith?

I can't see paying for sex anyway. I just think that prostitution should be legal. I don't think government should regulate this type of entertainment.
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The members of this faith would pay for sex with other members or the girls would be outside of the faith?

I can't see paying for sex anyway. I just think that prostitution should be legal. I don't think government should regulate this type of entertainment.
The prostitutes would be the priestesses of this religion.
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This one is actually pretty simple. According to the law your religious practices cannot violate the law of the land so for instance if it required animal sacrifice you can't do it. Same would apply to prostitution.
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