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Old 12-03-2007, 05:10 PM
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In regards to one religion, Winston Churchill said: "No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith."

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Old 12-06-2007, 04:05 AM
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I think it's a bit naive to think people will give up religion soon. Or relatively soon. Or in the near future. Or in the future, while I'm at it. People have constantly rejected science and reality when they find it conflicts with their fantasies for centuries, and before that, they rejected humanism and other pro-human ideologies before there was a real universal scientific methodology. What makes you think people will be any different in the time to come? People today largely reject evolution despite the overwhelming amount of evidence in evolution's favor. Why would they be any different tomorrow?

There is a small, vocal minority of humanity which accepts reality, instead of adhering to fantasy and mythology. There will always be people like that. But there will always be people who refuse to accept reality because it conflicts with their fantasies.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with an anarchist on http://forums.newspeakdictionary.com ; he told me he's confident there will one day be no more Tory Party in Britain, and my response is somewhat like this:

There will always be a sector of humanity which seeks a more conservative form of politics. As a result, as long as there is some form of democracy in place in that part of the world, they will have a conservative party representing their beliefs and interests. There will always be a Tory Party.

In regards to your last post, FreedomSeeker, you could say the exact same thing about Christianity. Christianity was, and still is, a militant force. Christianity was, and still is, an evangelical movement. There's hardly a day that goes by when I don't see some form of "Accept Jesus into your life" nonsense.
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... in the Judges period the cristians commited attrocities! They killed women and children, wiped out entires cites.
I know what you meant, right?

The "moralists" you speak of, are only a small subset of religious believers.

Actually, they're the ones who don't really "get" religion. THey're the ones who think it's about the "authority" of God, and "behaving correctly" in God's eyes.

And so, it naturally follows then, that they think "everyone else" oughta behave "correctly" too.

But I mean, that whole mentality and mindset, is instantly and completely contradicted by a "true" religious experience. At that point, if and when that happens, all this nonsense about "correctness" (in its various forms) disappears, and it's replaced by an overwhelming sense of natural "harmony". It's indescribable, really, to someone who's never had such an experience. All I can tell you is, that it's a wonderful thing. It'll change forever, the way you look at the world. You'll never be able to look at it the same way again, after having had an experience like that.

It's what happens "after" that, that you gotta be careful about.

'Cause that's when your mind starts trying to "rationalize" it - and it's like, don't. Just leave it alone. Let it be what it is. Any "structure" you assign to it, is gonna ruin it. Then it's gonna become a political instrument, instead of a spiritual one.

Just like, dig that you're a child of God, and communicate with your Dad, and he'll tell you what the right thing to do is. You know, you don't have to listen to any of these clowns who want to "translate" God's word for you. You can hear it yourself, up close and personal.
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Old 12-07-2007, 06:14 AM
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Big Bang is tooooooooFar Fetched my friends!
For one cell to Mutate and live is almost impossible! For evolution to work in the forming of Human life is impossible my friends! For just one Cell to mutate and change is very hard to accomplis with any sense of normality to think that millions of Cells mutating together in harmony to create oops I said Create Human life is obsurd!
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Big Bang is tooooooooFar Fetched my friends!
For one cell to Mutate and live is almost impossible! For evolution to work in the forming of Human life is impossible my friends! For just one Cell to mutate and change is very hard to accomplis with any sense of normality to think that millions of Cells mutating together in harmony to create oops I said Create Human life is obsurd!
Cancer. Racial genetic differences. Mutations. You're either too young to have taken basic biology, or flunked it.

The Big Bang is backed by scientific evidence, lingering radiation in the universe, etc. The Bible is backed with fairy-tales.
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On proof, there is a good bit a proof supporting the big bang theory and the theory of evolution. There is a little bit of evidence supporting human evolution, though there is also a little bit of evidence supporting the bible (Such as the prophecies in the bible that have come true, Bible code http://www.bible-codes.org/what-are-Bible-codes.htm , etc.). Both require a good amount of faith to believe.

However, my point is that religion, at least Christianity, is in no way evil. The majority of charities are Christian charities. For centuries, churches have organized all kinds of humanitarian efforts. Stuff like the crusades are not supported by the bible, and are very minor compared to all the good Christianity has done. To say all religion is evil is nothing more than bigotry.
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In regards to one religion, Winston Churchill said: "No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith."

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He also asked the Ordanance factories to create a better device to Gas the Kurds, as phosgene shells were not working, he advocated bombing the "troublesome Kurds" with phosgene bombs, he also was the person who instituted Consentration Camps in South Africa. Maybe Sadam was related to Winny? Sadam was hung for gassing the Kurds, Winny, well he was anointed the greatest living Englishman.
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On proof, there is a good bit a proof supporting the big bang theory and the theory of evolution. There is a little bit of evidence supporting human evolution, though there is also a little bit of evidence supporting the bible (Such as the prophecies in the bible that have come true, Bible code http://www.bible-codes.org/what-are-Bible-codes.htm , etc.). Both require a good amount of faith to believe.
There's ALOT more evidence to support evoltution over creation, overwhelmingly. Between fossil records, scientific backing, geographic circumlocation of species compared to thier fossilized predessesors and chemogenetic understanding, evolution requires comparatively little faith in contrast to the magical sky fairy.

For every accurate prophecy there were likely 10 inaccurate ones, let's be honest now. Stoning disobediant children, women aren't allowed to teach men, talking animals. Plus, how would you explain accurate prophecies in other religious texts? And how about the idea that someone corrupted the Bible during it's initial translations to sound as if it predicted a prophecy?

And what prophecies are you talking about anyway? Last time I checked, there is no anti-christ and the rapture hasn't happened yet... (2012 right? We'll see...)

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However, my point is that religion, at least Christianity, is in no way evil. The majority of charities are Christian charities.
Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, one of the biggest charity foundations on Earth, they are (at least Bill is) atheists. Most charities are secular in nature anyway (even if the founder happens to be religious)

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For centuries, churches have organized all kinds of humanitarian efforts.
Yeah, like the crusades, remember that one? Or the spanish inquisition? That was another quintessential church organized humanitarian effort. Good stuff.

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Stuff like the crusades are not supported by the bible, and are very minor compared to all the good Christianity has done. To say all religion is evil is nothing more than bigotry.
Killing, maiming and imperializing millions of people in the name of Christianity is minor compared to some shady charities that are likely established to evade taxes, or simply have nothing to do with religion in the first place (In the same way that just because a blonde haired person establishes a charity doesn't mean he or she did it because of thier blonde hair) ?
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I agree with you, but I find people who believe in creation often overlook all the evidence of evolution, prehistoric man, ect... (i.e. fossils, and what not) However, I am still sceptical on how could something can be created out of nothing? Otherwise I am totally pro-Big bang and evolution.
I am sorry but you are Quite mistaken look at the thread Evolution in education subcatagory and look for my first post in there I believe that God used evolution in creating the earth. I don't believe you fully understand the concept of evolution. there is no solid transition species that proves that humans evolved. have you ever heard of the Missing link? well let me tell you that most scientists, including myself, believe that in history there was a close relative to humans who could use tools and such but were not the ancestors to modern humans.

I do not fully agree with the plain theory of the big bang either but the reformed thoery seems prfectly logical.
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Did not take wrong way. Liked what you had to say.... but I doubt I will ever be able to define what God is, and follow even Christianity in the broadest sense.

I want to be good, and love others and care for the planet, just because I was brought up to know what is kind and what is not. If that gets me to heaven, fine. If it doesn't, then I still lived a life of kindness and I'll know I tried my best and others benefitted from me.

I don't like the accept Jesus as your saviour stuff or go to hell*. I don't like curch (of any kind) and I don't like the Bible, and don't regard it as any kind of guide for my life and probably never will. I don't belive that if there is a God like the Bible says, that he made us in order to glorify himself and wants to be worshiped, while all around there is suffering and pain.

If some "God" made the earth and created us intentionally, I believe this god wants us to appreciatte life through our personal thoughts and our actions torwards others. But I doubt he expects us to have faith in one kind of religion to get into the pearly gates.

But I don't know if there is a God like that if there is one at all. If there isn't, it certainly doesn't stop me being spirtual with myself.

I don't know what to believe and I don't think I should know and I am not ashamed of that.

I am really happy though and good things happen to me. People who are "saved" seem to think that their lives are suddenly enriched compared to others, and that those who are not saved are "lost" and missing something in their lives.

It feels great to throw my hands up and say "I don't know, and I don't think that is a bad thing at all". I feel fine with that.

But, the church serves many very well and I do not dispute that.

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Well I must say that I agree with you on certain parts I don't believe that God wants to be glorified forever by those who are good on earth. I believe that God wants us to become like him. Most religions refer to God as "Our Heavenly Father" right? well I do not know of any father that wants his children to be subordinate to him forever. Most fathers I know want their children to grow up to be like them and maybe even better. In God's case that would be impossible but it would not be impossible to become like him.

Having said this the trials and sufferings in our life are all tests to see if our father can trust us on our own. Like when your father first hands you the keys to the car to test you and see if you are able to drive responsibly.

I believe that god is made of flesh and blood and is not too different from you or I. Anyway gotta go.
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