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Old 11-05-2004, 05:55 PM
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Default Muslim ruels for wife beating

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Pa...a=sr&ID=SR2704
Special Report - No. 27
On October 5, France expelled Algerian-born Imam Abdel Qader Bouziane for telling a French magazine that Muslim husbands may beat their wives. This follows the sentencing on January 14 of the Egyptian-born Sheik Muhammad Kamal Mustafa, the imam of the mosque of the Spanish city of Fuengirola, Costa del Sol, for publishing a book that explains that wife-beating is in accordance with Shariah law.

Sheik Yousuf Qaradhawi, one of the most influential clerics in Sunni Islam and head of the European Council for Fatwa and Research and the International Council of Muslim Clerics, has also advocated wife-beating on multiple occasions in his 1984 book "The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam," and on his weekly Al Jazeera program, which is popular among the surging number of European Muslims who increasingly look to religious leaders from the Middle East for religious guidance................
Egyptian Professor Sabri Abd Al-Rauf of Al-Azhar University appeared on Iqra TV on September 13, and explained that "beating [one's wife] doesn't mean beatings with a rod or beatings that draw blood...The beatings are intended to instill fear...and declaring that he isn't satisfied with this wife."

Speaking on Syrian TV on July 26, Sheik Abd Al-Hamid Al-Muhajir explained that the Koran stipulates when a husband can beat his wife: "The Koranic verse refers only to a disobedient wife...First you must admonish...Then comes the stage of sending her to a separate bed...If this does not help either...it is said, 'and beat them'... What's better, that she gets slapped, or that she ruins her family, herself, and society?"

Sheik Muhammad Al-Mussayar, an Egyptian professor at Al-Azhar University, was interviewed about wife beating on Iqra TV on June 7. He described what kind of woman should be beaten: "She is a wife who rebelled against her husband's advice, and abandoning her in bed did not help."
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I am so disgusted I am speechless.

And people ask me why I hold the Muslim religion in such contempt.
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Can't we all get along?

There's enough room in the world for all of us.

I wouldn't want to rush to conclusions

Everyone deserves a fair shake

LOL If this was the kind of thing being endorsed bye Pat Roberson the Liberals in the US would be ready to burn down every church they saw. I am just so tired of hearing these spineless hippie apologists for Islam.
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And people ask me why I hold the Muslim religion in such contempt.
Because you're too ignorant to realize that a lot of Muslims would never dream of beating their wives? There are growing numbers of progressive Muslims, but you're not hearing about it because they don't cause violence, and who would watch the news if they didn't talk about violence?
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And people ask me why I hold the Muslim religion in such contempt.
Because you're too ignorant to realize that a lot of Muslims would never dream of beating their wives? There are growing numbers of progressive Muslims, but you're not hearing about it because they don't cause violence, and who would watch the news if they didn't talk about violence?
they are finally speaking out more but they are doing little in the way of acyaul action.there are good muslims and the press does not giev them enough time.
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Default Giving Too Much Credit To Islam

Islamic law is an institution in many nations and, you can't make a case the KKK represents Christianity like the Taliban represents Islam. There are simply nations of people who agree with this kind of interpretation of Islamic law. There is no nation that is representative of the KKK mindset anywhere.

Research Project:

Post some laws from Iran and Saudi Arabia

P.S. We already know Iran sentenced a 16 year old girl to death for essentially "Conduct Unbecoming a Woman".

This kind of thing is not the result of a "Fringe Element" but and accurate representation of mainstream culture.
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Since DBG got banned and truebrit actually started to have to "work" at work, you have taken the mantle as the biggest lunatic posting here.

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And people ask me why I hold the Muslim religion in such contempt.
Because you're too ignorant to realize that a lot of Muslims would never dream of beating their wives? There are growing numbers of progressive Muslims, but you're not hearing about it because they don't cause violence, and who would watch the news if they didn't talk about violence?
Simply because someone finds it appalling that RELIGIOUS LEADERS are advocating that it is okay to wife beat doesn't mean that one is so appalled is in any way "ignorant". I suppose that critics of the third reich were ignorant for not realizing that not all Germans practiced genocide, by your logic.

So, about these progressive muslims - where are they? Because I don't see them. In fact, I don't think Islam is a religion that supports being progressive, and the fact that its leaders are saying that kind of stuff on television and it is generally accepted in their world, says something -whether you like it or not. I think a "progressive muslim" might be one who simply is muslim by birth but has grown up areligious and really isn;t a believer. Sort of like most "Christians" in the US.

So what is it about these non-wife beating progressives that keeps them from speaking out? "We're not hearing about it because they aren't violent"? Oh please, now they are pacifist progressives?

So the reason that we aren't hearing their point of view - these newfangled modernist softy islamist is that "violence sells"

Hey wow you're real genius there buddy.

I hear that Afghanistan is nice this time of year.
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Since DBG got banned and truebrit actually started to have to "work" at work, you have taken the mantle as the biggest lunatic posting here.
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Simply because someone finds it appalling that RELIGIOUS LEADERS are advocating that it is okay to wife beat doesn't mean that one is so appalled is in any way "ignorant". I suppose that critics of the third reich were ignorant for not realizing that not all Germans practiced genocide, by your logic.
You're proving my point for me. I'm equally apalled that people are advocating wife-beating, but that doesn't mean I hold in contempt the entire Muslim region. I would not be ignorant in the least to oppose the third reich, but it would be ignorant to hold in contempt all Germans who couldn't openly oppose Hitler or they would be shot just because they were German.

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So, about these progressive muslims - where are they? Because I don't see them. In fact, I don't think Islam is a religion that supports being progressive, and the fact that its leaders are saying that kind of stuff on television and it is generally accepted in their world, says something -whether you like it or not. I think a "progressive muslim" might be one who simply is muslim by birth but has grown up areligious and really isn;t a believer. Sort of like most "Christians" in the US.
Religion is an inherently non-progressive institution, so you would be correct in suggesting that "progressive Muslims" are closer to being secular than Muslim.

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So what is it about these non-wife beating progressives that keeps them from speaking out? "We're not hearing about it because they aren't violent"? Oh please, now they are pacifist progressives?
Because they would be executed if they spoke out against it. They therefore don't talk and if they do it is in Europe or America, not the Middle East, and doesn't cause any uproar (though a Dutch filmmaker recently got himself murdered for criticizing treated of women in the Middle East - another reason people are likely afraid to speak out against it).
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that in "civilized" countries in Western Europe and even in the American colonies founded by people who came here in search of "freedom of religion" "we" burned witches to test them in order to prove whether they were actually witches or not. Within the confines of Scotland and England and the Massachusetts Colony the witch burners were the mainframe.

Is it that we are further along the rime line of development than the Muslims ?
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